ARR and Dungeons/Istances timers.

[EinSoFZ]

ah so that's what it is. shame on those parents that want to escape all the whining and Diaper changes only for a few hours and shame on them for wanting to keep up and run dungeons with the big boy's and girls. Maybe parents should pick up Alcoholism as a past time. instead of gaming for an hour or two while being aware of there child presence, they can instead be passed out and unaware of what there child is doing like playing with fire.

People play games as a past time or to have a relaxing afternoon and not have to worry about being shit on by there peers because something in life called them away from the game for 10 minutes while running an instance. the only time gaming becomes a job is if your designing/testing the dame thing.

Awful place to use sarcasm. If you're a parent, your children are your priority...or rather they should be. Video gaming is not a means of escaping the reality of life. SE makes this clear with their note telling you not to forget friends, family etc. Shame on any parent who would prioritize in any way experiencing a video game over taking care of their child, however short that time may be.

[Shougun]

So you'll rather drag down the depth and versatility of an expansive and puzzling dungeon
because your too lazy to type one simple command?

/clock

Quite an assumption there.

I said I'd rather dungeons have a max time limit - I didnt say how much. I also said that the time limit should be ample for success, so long as you dont suck/are prepared.

If a dungeon gets a 5 hour time limit - I know I need to have 5 straight hours ready.

[Orophin]

Awful place to use sarcasm. If you're a parent, your children are your priority...or rather they should be. Video gaming is not a means of escaping the reality of life. SE makes this clear with their note telling you not to forget friends, family etc. Shame on any parent who would prioritize in any way experiencing a video game over taking care of their child, however short that time may be.

Well said. If video games are your way of taking a break from your kids, then you should be playing one that you can detach yourself from at any time. Most single players game have a pause function; MMOs don't. It's not fair to the other 7 people you're grouping with in a game, or your kid, to have divided attention.

[Arcell]

To me things like timers don't make it more difficult, it just makes things more stressful. I'd really prefer the: full party wipe = exit setup to timers. That way if people are learning a new strategy, need to afk for any reason or just want to take their time and enjoy the scenery, they can.

When that clock is counting down in the corner of your screen, people are always going to rush. Then you've got the same mob skipping, running through half the dungeon mentality you have now.

[Valmonte]

Awful place to use sarcasm. If you're a parent, your children are your priority...or rather they should be. Video gaming is not a means of escaping the reality of life. SE makes this clear with their note telling you not to forget friends, family etc. Shame on any parent who would prioritize in any way experiencing a video game over taking care of their child, however short that time may be.

its not sarcasm its the truth, all parents develop a 6th sense so to speak and having your nosed burried in a monitor playing a game doesn't make you any less aware, Being shit face plastered enough not to hear a bull horn at deafening range does, that's my point on that

[CrystalArisia]

Least PSO2 will keep timers. LOL

[Valmonte]

Well said. If video games are your way of taking a break from your kids, then you should be playing one that you can detach yourself from at any time. Most single players game have a pause function; MMOs don't. It's not fair to the other 7 people you're grouping with in a game, or your kid, to have divided attention.

we have a term for what you've described its call Being selfish. you want fair? fair is allowing someone to take that 10 minute break to do what ever it is he or she needs to.

who the hell are you to deny someone a few minutes of there time, because some timer say you have 45 minutes remaining? well guess what there's a message that pops up every time the game launches urging you to deal with your real life problems first and foremost, if that time just happens to be in a dungeon thats to fucking bad.

[EinSoFZ]

its not sarcasm its the truth, all parents develop a 6th sense so to speak and having your nosed burried in a monitor playing a game doesn't make you any less aware, Being shit face plastered enough not to hear a bull horn at deafening range does, that's my point on that

I'm not saying parents can't play the game. What I am saying is that an MMO can be a pretty time intensive commitment. Telling yourself that it's your escape from your kids or responsibilities is an excuse that just won't fly. Basically if you spend time in FFXIV that should actually be going to your kids, you're a bad parent. Claiming to have a 6th sense or believing that putting them in front of a TV or a computer will suffice as a replacement is a sign of trying to rationalize being a bad parent. Too many horrible children growing up these days because parents no longer feel a responsibility in investing actual time, parent with child, with their kids.

Raising them is not just feeding them and keeping them from being dead. I agree parents need "me" time. So send your children to grandma or something when you wanna game. Don't be that parent letting their child run loose so you can do what you want.

[Valmonte]

I'm not saying parents can't play the game. What I am saying is that an MMO can be a pretty time intensive commitment.

Even more so when there are unnecessary timers that force you to be glued to the computer, sure you can quit the game whenever and take care of your problims. but eventually people will stop inviting you, they'll push you out of groups because you always seem have Real life things to do when the going gets good even if its for 5 minutes i've seen it happen to alot of people in this game and its dirty.

[EinSoFZ]

Even more so when there are unnecessary timers that force you to be glued to the computer, sure you can quit the game whenever and take care of your problims. but eventually people will stop inviting you, they'll push you out of groups because you always seem have Real life things to do when the going gets good even if its for 5 minutes i've seen it happen to alot of people in this game and its dirty.

I'd argue the timers no more glue you to your computer than the content itself does. If you can't have the time to sit there and do it, does it really matter that the game is showing you that in clock form? If timers went away, do you really believe people would be willing to enter an instance and then let you afk for 20 minutes while you take care of something? Personally, I wouldn't and it's not because I'm a selfish person.

My reasoning would be that everyone entering understands we all have a goal to achieve and we must be considerate of other players time. Some people play before they go to work or school and do things on a limited schedule. They shouldn't have to give up their goals because you feel the need to leave for 20 minutes right during the event. Let's face it, that 20 minutes lost could mean someone has to go before you do it; these things occur. It's selfish to ask people to give up their time for you like that, when everyone has their own life and things to do with their time. That reminds me how the timers serve a purpose of making sure you actually do what you're they're to do and get it done as a group with less time wasting.

It somehow forces you to be efficient, which isn't a bad thing.