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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    They may have made improvements elsewhere (some of that is up to debate) but that doesn't excuse a massive downgrade to 2007 free korean mmo animation. I expect trash tier from Elder Scrolls Online maybe, but not Final Fantasy.
    Harsh.

    Constructive criticism is fine. But parading around with negativity only because you think it's the only way to get the dev's attention seems like wasted energy to me. (see Rokien)

    And calling everyone else idiots because they seemingly disagree is just as destructive to your cause.

    Edit: And before you reply, please consider that I do agree with some of what you're saying (after you take away the insulting words) - We should be critical about things we want to see improved. I made a topic saying as much, with an article to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denmo View Post
    Harsh.

    Constructive criticism is fine. But parading around with negativity only because you think it's the only way to get the dev's attention seems like wasted energy to me. (see Rokien)

    And calling everyone else idiots because they seemingly disagree is just as destructive to your cause.
    Didn't call anyone idiots. Called them apologists. And whenever you give SE the benefit of the doubt, that is being an apologist. Telling people not to worry about stuff is not how you get anything changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Y'all are walking down a dangerous path. A path that leads to the game being crap.
    C'mon, it IS just alpha!

    You can troll if it's still like this in beta.

    Just look forward and don't piss on every detail.
    The whole "walking around" does look good and gosh it is not the point that decides if a game is crap or not.
    I think I am the only one who liked FFXIV on it's release 2010 just because I got what I expected.
    And where is the difference? I played this game 2 years and had fun and was looking forward for every single patch. And you also played the game but were always complaining.
    Yeah I am not happy with some things they add to the game but as long as I like the whole game and the devs work to make it even better I can't really complain because of things like this. Just let them do their work, I bet they already took notice about your animation problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibelunc View Post
    C'mon, it IS just alpha!

    You can troll if it's still like this in beta.

    Just look forward and don't piss on every detail.
    Why wait to troll? Watch, come beta and the animations are still freekorea2007, people will still be mad at me for trolling the animation.

    How about this, if they address it in the live letter I will calm down. Even if they still suck in beta but are fixed later. But if they don't mention it, I will take it to mean they are ignoring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Why wait to troll? Watch, come beta and the animations are still freekorea2007, people will still be mad at me for trolling the animation.

    How about this, if they address it in the live letter I will calm down. Even if they still suck in beta but are fixed later. But if they don't mention it, I will take it to mean they are ignoring it.
    Okay, deal!

    I am sure they will not just ignore it. They want to make things better and if there is one thing they changed in the past two years and they already proved it, it's that they are taking notice of feedback from the community. At least more than in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Why wait to troll? Watch, come beta and the animations are still freekorea2007, people will still be mad at me for trolling the animation.

    How about this, if they address it in the live letter I will calm down. Even if they still suck in beta but are fixed later. But if they don't mention it, I will take it to mean they are ignoring it.
    If it's beta and animations are still as they are, I would also be pretty disappointed. So I'll join your cause if that happens. Otherwise, alpha is really to make sure the game is playable first and fore most. Other aspects can slowly make their way in.

    Enjoy your meal~
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Why wait to troll? Watch, come beta and the animations are still freekorea2007, people will still be mad at me for trolling the animation.

    How about this, if they address it in the live letter I will calm down. Even if they still suck in beta but are fixed later. But if they don't mention it, I will take it to mean they are ignoring it.
    To be honest, if the animations improve by the time the game goes into beta, then we will have you and the other people who are making this argument to thank. Sure it may sound like negativity, but she's just trying to get the point across. They made it this way because that was their idea for it. If no one disapproves then they have no reason to change it. I'm sure they have lots of other things planned that they would rather spend time doing.

    It may seem like you're arguing against everyone, but I support your effort to try make all aspects of 2.0 worthy of praise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    This is sounding like cognitive dissonance to me.

    So, the animations suck now, well, animations are stupid and significant anyway! Who needs animations!

    When trying to rationalize how to deal with the animations, instead of demanding quality, just say they don't matter.

    I think that is sad.

    Y'all are walking down a dangerous path. A path that does not lead to the game being the best it could be. A path that leads to the game being crap. A compromise here, a compromise there...

    They may have made improvements elsewhere (some of that is up to debate) but that doesn't excuse a massive downgrade to 2007 free korean mmo animation. I expect trash tier from Elder Scrolls Online maybe, but not Final Fantasy.
    You have no idea the power you are lacking to say "i don't like it change it" specially to a corporation like SE lol so don't say it so lightly video thread already has 171 likes ..your comment only 4 ..so yeah you are one of the very odd few that can't grasp whats been accomplished here by Yoshi-P and his team in youtube video has already 106,780 views and i assume most of them liked it too bad SE don't let us "like" those videos.

    Simplest way it can be said is that 1.0 animations should have never existed in the first place, why? bcuz not everyone has 2,000$ rigs and those animations slowed down the gameplay experience example hamlet I HATED to do DoH bcuz getting on your feet after a synth took FOREVER in an event where buffs need to stay up is no good. just my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlock View Post
    You have no idea the power you are lacking to say "i don't like it change it" specially to a corporation like SE lol so don't say it so lightly video thread already has 171 likes ..your comment only 4 ..so yeah you are one of the very odd few that can't grasp whats been accomplished here by Yoshi-P and his team in youtube video has already 106,780 views and i assume most of them liked it too bad SE don't let us "like" those videos.

    Simplest way it can be said is that 1.0 animations should have never existed in the first place, why? bcuz not everyone has 2,000$ rigs and those animations slowed down the gameplay experience example hamlet I HATED to do DoH bcuz getting on your feet after a synth took FOREVER in an event where buffs need to stay up is no good. just my opinion
    Almost any update will get a couple hundred likes regardless of anything. And I don't know why you seem to think that offering feedback somehow amounts to being unable "to grasp whats been accomplished by Yoshi-P." Separate issues. Just because someone likes something or supports something doesn't mean they can't offer feedback or point out stuff that looks bad, and offering feedback doesn't mean I hate the game as a whole. If I didn't support this game I wouldn't even be here. If we don't offer feedback then we might as well take down the forums. "I don't like it change it" is precisely the point of these things.

    I know you want to take a "SE is a giant corporation, you are nothing" stance against me because you are butthurt but SE has shown receptiveness to the forums in the past. Read that thread and there are tons of replies mentioning how the animation is lacking, so it's not just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Almost any update will get a couple hundred likes regardless of anything. And I don't know why you seem to think that offering feedback somehow amounts to being unable "to grasp whats been accomplished by Yoshi-P." Separate issues. Just because someone likes something or supports something doesn't mean they can't offer feedback or point out stuff that looks bad, and offering feedback doesn't mean I hate the game as a whole. If I didn't support this game I wouldn't even be here. If we don't offer feedback then we might as well take down the forums. "I don't like it change it" is precisely the point of these things.

    I know you want to take a "SE is a giant corporation, you are nothing" stance against me because you are butthurt but SE has shown receptiveness to the forums in the past. Read that thread and there are tons of replies mentioning how the animation is lacking, so it's not just me.
    Why am i a butthurt? i am perfectly fine with how an alpha video looks like. More than saying there is a "lack" is the constant beating on the "it should be 1.0 clunky all over again" dead horse which is another fact you and the 4 that liked your comment seem to not be able to compute, those animations locked you on place ,were clunky and on top of that you need a strong expensive rig to play it fine with settings at max
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