Petition To Add Behest Rank Restrictions

[Nephera]

well on one hand i do like soloing behests that are lower rank camps because they can be decent sp.

on the other hand I saw a level 1 doing behests at camp horizon the other day. :|

[Kilta_Firelotus]

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Think about this will also mean for years to come. The PS3 release hits stores around North America, Japan, Europe. Now you feel like leveling another job you never bothered with before. You go to a camp to join in Behest to help with leveling and make some new friends, only a couple of rank ~10's decide to join in, and the Behest hits the 15/15 cap.

Now you just wasted an hour, while someone else gets to leech and contributes nothing to the party. Or the first expansion hits. That awesome job you've been waiting for is finally released. But you spend hours and hours sitting at camp, run out of leves for that camp, and now just solo grind to level instead of getting some great experience from Behest.

Just additional food for thought. Unless you really like waiting for an hour for Behest and not getting in.

typical elistis reply. sorry seen this so much.

[Jynx]

All things considered how they can easilly scale gear down anyways with none of the being locked "yet" it would be pretty easy in Behest to cap higher lvl players to the "max level" for a Behest area.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I asked a pretty decent question. first off does every camp do behest. If not that is why ppl are there, just to do something other then levequests.
Also years to come party grinding will be better. So chances are ppl will not level the same as right now.
one of the bigger issues is no one is teaching anyone about anything. Like party search. Which is why not many ppl party outside of LS's.

Sorry these are things to consider. First.

[Nuru]

I asked a pretty decent question. first off does every camp do behest. If not that is why ppl are there, just to do something other then levequests.
Also years to come party grinding will be better. So chances are ppl will not level the same as right now.
one of the bigger issues is no one is teaching anyone about anything. Like party search. Which is why not many ppl party outside of LS's.

Sorry these are things to consider. First.

You are right about how people may level in the future, but the whole idea of behest isn't exactly going to be scrapped from the game. What this thread is about is making it easier to level so people won't gimp the sp. There are several fixes to this kind of situation that could also fix future plans and implementations of events or instances similar to behest. Why not test out these ideas now and build up on it?

[darkstarpoet1]

I asked a pretty decent question. first off does every camp do behest. If not that is why ppl are there, just to do something other then levequests.
Also years to come party grinding will be better. So chances are ppl will not level the same as right now.
one of the bigger issues is no one is teaching anyone about anything. Like party search. Which is why not many ppl party outside of LS's.

Sorry these are things to consider. First.

ok sorry i see your questions went mostly unanswered. i know you're not playing yet so will answer them.

"first off does every camp do behest?"
yes, almost all camps do have behests including most of the indivicual nodes. some do not, but they are not low level areas at all. i'll use camp riversmeet for example does not but it's all lvl 50-75 mobs.

"Also years to come party grinding will be better."
yes, they will be better, but even when the game had alot of members they still did the same thing

"one of the bigger issues is no one is teaching anyone about anything."
not exactly true. i see some pure rude people sure, but the majority of the people i have met are pretty decent and will always give advice.

the reason people get upset about people way too low or too high is that they hurt the sp gained not just for that person, but everyone in the party. se has it set to where if the group is outside of a 5 lvl range they all take a sp hit on each kill. it's not as much for the middle people, but it is there.

sorry don't mean it if i come across as rude or elitest, but wanted to give the reasons why people do not like the leeches. the problem is the camp for the lower range actually gets passed by to get to the higher camps. those people pass by to go do it on purpose.

[Speeral]

ok sorry i see your questions went mostly unanswered. i know you're not playing yet so will answer them.

"first off does every camp do behest?"
yes, almost all camps do have behests including most of the indivicual nodes. some do not, but they are not low level areas at all. i'll use camp riversmeet for example does not but it's all lvl 50-75 mobs.

"Also years to come party grinding will be better."
yes, they will be better, but even when the game had alot of members they still did the same thing

"one of the bigger issues is no one is teaching anyone about anything."
not exactly true. i see some pure rude people sure, but the majority of the people i have met are pretty decent and will always give advice.

the reason people get upset about people way too low or too high is that they hurt the sp gained not just for that person, but everyone in the party. se has it set to where if the group is outside of a 5 lvl range they all take a sp hit on each kill. it's not as much for the middle people, but it is there.

sorry don't mean it if i come across as rude or elitest, but wanted to give the reasons why people do not like the leeches. the problem is the camp for the lower range actually gets passed by to get to the higher camps. those people pass by to go do it on purpose.

The reason no one teaches anyone anything is because as soon as someone says something that hurts someones feelings, because they want to play how they want. Its automatically called being an elitist which is not the case at all.

Consider this and you can check my sig I have all my jobs over 20 and one almost 50 so I know the combat side of this game very well and I dare anyone to challenge my position.

Rank 1-10 you get 500~sp/kill from a single mob in behest at the rank 1 and 10 behests.
Heck at the rank 10 ish camp solo I was getting about 350sp/kill at drybone. So for those in the rank 11-17 range this is a good place for them to be at and if those people stayed around that area they will get more out of it. Albeit with the current state of the game it won't be 15 people there but I have more often than not ran with 6-8 people avg around 350~sp a kill with about 20-25 mobs there and you actually have fun because you are doing something not uselessly whacking and whiffing at a way to high rank mob.

Now that will alleviate the stress for those 18-26~ rank at horizon allowing to have more people to take advantage of the 10k+ sp that could be had if your within range of the other players in that area.

Also this allows for all players to get the maximum benefit from the event and allows everyone to progress effectively. So having some at rank 11 at a rank 20 behest and not actually wanting them there because it is detrimental to both parties is actually not elitist, its common sense.

I'm very sorry but to those who think that are very wrong and I implore you to smarten up a little.

So for those who think some sort of restiction or better gating to get players to see the light and use the system to their betterment I applaud you very much.

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[Dubont]

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Hi Spee =)

[Kaedan]

I was on a R28 class last night, and I was near Bloodshore when Behest was starting. So I signed up. There was a level 20ish dude there that also signed up. I invited him and there was no problem.

The only problem there is currently is when a character that is leveled much higher than the Behest decides to grief a lower level behest. SE can't police everyone's behavior. And when they add restrictions, it can interfere with legitimate players that are willing to cooperate. Say you're R28... well, if there's no one else at a R30 camp to do behest with, you can't really solo it. So you have no choice but to go to a lower level one.

If they were to put a restriction, I would say you can't participate in Behests more than 10 Ranks lower than you. And additionally, I would allow for a level sync if you are more than 10 ranks above.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I vote for a level sync then I liked it in ffxi. It made getting groups easier some times quicker, and I didn't have to play catch up with my friends.

Like I said i think ppl join behest to do them, not really to purposely leech. the game don't have very many activities yet. so atm ppl will do behest for sake of something to do. I think it might change when they start adding more activities.

And I know behest not getting scrapped. Just you got bored ppl joining them no matter the lvl.