Dark Knight DD or Tank

[Sakasa]

On the fact that DRK was originally tanky is a strange statement, because remember back in the early class system the difference was not so much in stats but the abilities because you couldn't directly effect stats once the job has been changed. The special traits like cover made pld a tank more so then the fact it had a big hp pool and access to heavy armor and shields.

But I think DRK should be a DD but unlike how DRG works it should combo ws > spell > ws , ws >spell > spell, and spell > ws > ws . So for instance front cone ws > fire > Drk only spell so DRK will have to manage both tp and mp and gain benefits from spells much more then it did in 11 where shared spells were more fluff.

Also from deriving the job from a class I think it makes more sense to come from MRD then GLA. No so much the two handed weapon thing but just skill names and purposes the MRD seems more brutal and rage war like which the DRK is know for through Cecil. But I believe I am a bit biased on this though because I perceived the second job from GLA to be RDM. But this is assuming they go to the two stone per class system which would get a bit tricky even if they introduced the job specific weapon types such as rapier and greatsword because some classes won't be derived easily. Sure THF>NIN but blue mage and other eccentric classes wouldn't work so well in that regard.

[Hart]

But I think DRK should be a DD but unlike how DRG works it should combo ws > spell > ws , ws >spell > spell, and spell > ws > ws . So for instance front cone ws > fire > Drk only spell so DRK will have to manage both tp and mp and gain benefits from spells much more then it did in 11 where shared spells were more fluff.

This is a very interesting idea. I quite like it.

I don't think it matters what it branches off of, though. They could add a dark knight skill every two levels if they wanted to. GLD skills would still be there, but they would be completely useless. Wouldn't matter because the DRK skills would be plentiful and would trump them.

[Reika]

Hm, i really dont remember my DRK being squishy in groups in XI when I played around with Sword+Shield, which they could do in that game. It was just taboo, like a lot of job-race combinations or weapon choices were. It was fun for when there weren't any Paladins around, but its not like it didn't work out. The main difference that made pld a better choice was that it had healing magic, Defensive traits, and better weapon skills with the sword anyways. But its not like DRK COULDNT do it if it had to.

Drk wore heavy armor too, it was a knight, knights wear heavy armor. If/when they add DRK, it would add another class/job to almost all the plate armor in the game.

Though the main reason why DRK will end up a squishy low HP low Defense DD like DRG is because you could just switch Job to PLD from anywhere, unlike XI, and because you know the majority wants DRK to be squishy DD.

And.... if it came off of GLD it would not be squishy DD, it would be tank >.>

[OrionInerghem]

When you say DRK tanked in XI that was /nin and not FTW.. no DRK/DD tanked anything challenge worthy in XI. I also differentiate between being "able" to do something and doing something because it's a "winning" strategy. If you sacrifice a ton of STR and DEF to ATT abilities/gear to tank on DRK that's just a D rate tank.

1)Meaningful Situational: PLD+/- NIN(AoE=X), MNK(counter/weaker mob, salvage, non AOE)
2) Weaker mob/mostly situational: War, SAM/Seigan, DD/nin (ie: DRK)
3)Very situational/solo/ messing around: Rdm/nin, Smn/Bst pets

I think FF series wise GLD > pld+Drk would make the most sense since they are basically inverses, (equip sword> switch Scythe/GS @job change) You'd need a significant DPS increase to make this work, and XIV GLD abilities wouldn't make sense on DRK, but would have good survive-ability.

Ability wise MRD> AXE would make sense for DRK to use as well, plus the abilities would match up better with DD and could still wear heavy armor. So I think for XIV MRD> DRK would make the most sense.

[Elexia]

When you say DRK tanked in XI that was /nin and not FTW.. no DRK/DD tanked anything challenge worthy in XI.

When was the last time you played FFXI? Serious question lol.

[Reika]

Damage Dealer, all the way.

When I started FFXI, my first ever MMO, the only job I wanted to play was DRK. I am eagerly looking forward to a Dark Knight in 14.

FFXIV gave me the opportunity to be a Lalacorn, now I want to be a tiny, spiky ball of incredibly adorable death and dismemberment!

Edit: Please don't be stingy with the magic spells for drks!

Lala DRKS could bring about MOE Death as well.

When you say DRK tanked in XI that was /nin and not FTW.. no DRK/DD tanked anything challenge worthy in XI. I also differentiate between being "able" to do something and doing something because it's a "winning" strategy. If you sacrifice a ton of STR and DEF to ATT abilities/gear to tank on DRK that's just a D rate tank.

1)Meaningful Situational: PLD+/- NIN(AoE=X), MNK(counter/weaker mob, salvage, non AOE)
2) Weaker mob/mostly situational: War, SAM/Seigan, DD/nin (ie: DRK)
3)Very situational/solo/ messing around: Rdm/nin, Smn/Bst pets

I think FF series wise GLD > pld+Drk would make the most sense since they are basically inverses, (equip sword> switch Scythe/GS @job change) You'd need a significant DPS increase to make this work, and XIV GLD abilities wouldn't make sense on DRK, but would have good survive-ability.

Ability wise MRD> AXE would make sense for DRK to use as well, plus the abilities would match up better with DD and could still wear heavy armor. So I think for XIV MRD> DRK would make the most sense.

Would be silly to try to tank as DRK/NIN, as you would not have provoke and as said nin was changed to lose agro with utsuemi lol. Tanked as DRK/WAR for the obvious reasons.

MRD would also be a bad choice as MRD is the real offense/defense class, that doesnt really excel in both. And it would give DRK way too much HP for 'squishy DD', would just end up Dark Warrior.

The only real good choice for DRK DD is new class, with DRK oriented skills/spells, and a nice greatsword to equip to it.

But of course they have mentioned the whole one class branching to more than one job thing. Maybe one day drk could come off of GLD, MRD, or Newclass.

[syntaxlies]

Lala DRKS could bring about MOE Death as well.



Would be silly to try to tank as DRK/NIN, as you would not have provoke and as said nin was changed to lose agro with utsuemi lol. Tanked as DRK/WAR for the obvious reasons.

MRD would also be a bad choice as MRD is the real offense/defense class, that doesnt really excel in both. And it would give DRK way too much HP for 'squishy DD', would just end up Dark Warrior.

The only real good choice for DRK DD is new class, with DRK oriented skills/spells, and a nice greatsword to equip to it.

But of course they have mentioned the whole one class branching to more than one job thing. Maybe one day drk could come off of GLD, MRD, or Newclass.

tough call on dragoon and lancer. playing dragoon you'll have jump and dragon-fire dive. 2 damaging ability's using no tp. Also you can use life surge and hp potions and probably stun lock your opponent for the whole fight.

[Achtzen]

If drk branched out from gla, i can see it requiring blm for elemental weapons to increase damage vs elemental weakness. It could probably have some damage boosting abilities, special attacks, and also utilize different stats like str for physical damage and int for elemental. Kinda how like stiener was in ff9.

[Velhart]

Like people have said, Dark Knight has usually been aimed towards as a DPS role rather than a tank. If they did make it a tanking role however, it would have to be completely different from PLD. It would focus on DPS with a 2-handed sword and hold hate through damage. A problem with that however is that we already have a tank that depends on DPS to hold hate, which is WAR.

While it is definitely possible to have DRK tank, it would have to have a completely new approach to it from what PLD and WAR do to hold hate.

I think Samurai would be the next candidate for tanking. In FFXI, they were suppose to be a tank that used DPS and parrying to hold hate and sustain damage, but that didn't last long at all, especially due to parrying being a really awful process to level. It was very rare finding someone who actually got their parrying capped. FFXIV could bring this back though, and make sure that role works out for them. Perhaps have Samurai and Ninja derive from one class, and have Ninja focus on DPS and Samurai on tanking.

[Eagleheart]

I like this thread. (o.O)> Although I would comment that (back from the first page) let's not do the whole scythe thing again. Greatswords onry!