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[Lavieh]

You're not on a moral high horse if you don't want to keep it, but you're talking down everyone that would keep it. That's what what makes your post so unlikable.
It's really laughable that you're talking about "earning" equipment, when the only equipment that you can really earn is the one bought with gil, if you craft/meld it yourself or with friends. In a game where drops like Darklight are so hard to drop, with countless hours on my back with a static doing at least 6 runs of 5-chest daily, and I only have an Eyepatch to show for it, yet some other player will go there and get it on their first run ever, while being carried over by other players. You call that earning gear? Wow, guess you must know something I don't because this game is LUCK, when it comes to earning equipment. Relic yes, you may have to work on Ifrit Extreme, but that's about it.

I enjoy working hard for my equipment, did in FFXI for many years and so do now, here. I don't think that for cherishing the illusion that we might keep the relics (spoiler alert: we won't) and calling out on people that say they would throw them away I'm acting as such a jerk. I've seen this kind of entitled attitude before, and it is really disgusting.

I don't get defensive about "people" disagreeing, I get upset with seeing so much crap written by the same poster, over and over again. You're narcisistic and you keep feeding yourself on your own dellusional world, and your signature proves it. I hope you keep posting, because everytime you do, it gets even more amusing. Anyway, I'm done with this petty argument, next time if you actually want to have a decent and actual discussion, don't open it with name calling. (I was being retorical with the jerk snip, but guess that flew over your head)

I'm really curious to how hard you tried on the relic quest, or if you got it done or even flagged. Also your concept is a little skewed, RNG actually makes it so you have to work harder for things. Countless hours of AV/CC for Darklight drops - Thats hard work. You think the people with a good amount of darklight just got it out of sheer luck? Or because they did AV/CC as much as they could, same thing with the Seals in hamlet. Heck me and my LS spent hours farming up mats before hamlet and then hours doing hamlet until everyone got their seals. We worked hard for it, very hard actually. Weapon melds? Rng sure... But also a bit of work unless you have the gil to be lazy. I leveled up my BTN and ALC just to make my whm relic, worked my lala butt off farming Trillium and doing what I could with every synth. I eventually made my own double melded Alkuaraps(sp?) and turned that in. AV/CC 17 minute runs... You think that is pure luck? I hardly doubt it the only bit of RNG that can hamper that is Coincounter spamming AI or Marshal spamming cures BUT even with those set backs the 17 minute runs are all a matter of skill. Same thing the 15 DH run (Which is super easy), Faction quest, Garuda, Ifritx all fights you have to put effort into not to mention Spiritbonding your relic... which if you do it solo thats a few hours of dedicated killing or if some people help you thats like 3 hrs per person.

People like you are really the bane to modern MMO's because you don't realize how big of a role RNG plays on the game and how balanced it keeps things. How RNG makes your hard work show. Because when the odds are 1% sure there MAY be some luck involved but it also takes dedication because statistically you'd have to do the w/e you are doing 100 times to just see one.


Eh, I guess people will have differing views on things. But it just seems that you are posting to post as your post itself was going around in circles and just ended with a general insult to the person you were replying to. Kind of sad :C

[Molly_Millions]

I'm really curious to how hard you tried on the relic quest, or if you got it done or even flagged. Also your concept is a little skewed, RNG actually makes it so you have to work longer for things. Countless hours of AV/CC for Darklight drops - Thats a lot of work. You think the people with a good amount of darklight just got it out of sheer luck? Or because they did AV/CC as much as they could, same thing with the Seals in hamlet. Heck me and my LS spent hours farming up mats before hamlet and then hours doing hamlet until everyone got their seals. We worked at it for a long time, very often actually. Weapon melds? Rng sure... But also a bit of work unless you have the gil to be lazy. I leveled up my BTN and ALC just to make my whm relic, worked my lala butt off farming Trillium and doing what I could with every synth. I eventually made my own double melded Alkuaraps(sp?) and turned that in. AV/CC 17 minute runs... You think that is pure luck? I hardly doubt it the only bit of RNG that can hamper that is Coincounter spamming AI or Marshal spamming cures BUT even with those set backs the 17 minute runs are all a matter of skill. Same thing the 15 DH run (Which is super easy), Faction quest, Garuda, Ifritx all fights you have to put effort into not to mention Spiritbonding your relic... which if you do it solo thats a few hours of dedicated killing or if some people help you thats like 3 hrs per person.

^^ fixed it for you.

Battling RNG is time consuming and frustrating, but there is nothing difficult about it. Personally, I'll stick to melding for good gear until RNG and speed runs are removed or the reliance on them is reduced, simply for the fact that with melding the only frustrated player I have to deal with is myself. I hate doing dungeons when everyone is completely frustrated that every win isn't a speed run, because one little thing went wrong and reduced the drop rate. Some (a lot of) players can be complete douchebags when they don't get what they want.

[Lavieh]

^^ fixed it for you.

Battling RNG is time consuming and frustrating, but there is nothing difficult about it. Personally, I'll stick to melding for good gear until RNG and speed runs are removed or the reliance on them is reduced, simply for the fact that with melding the only frustrated player I have to deal with is myself. I hate doing dungeons when everyone is completely frustrated that every win isn't a speed run, because one little thing went wrong and reduced the drop rate. Some (a lot of) players can be complete douchebags when they don't get what they want.

If something takes awhile to complete and requires effort/time it can easily be considered "Hard"

[Molly_Millions]

If something takes awhile to complete and requires effort/time it can easily be considered "Hard"

time consuming =/= hard

[Leo_Hart]

time consuming =/= hard

but it's HARD for you to do.

[Molly_Millions]

but it's HARD for you to do.

I gave my reasons. You can believe it or not. I don't care.

[syntaxlies]

^^ fixed it for you.

Battling RNG is time consuming and frustrating, but there is nothing difficult about it. Personally, I'll stick to melding for good gear until RNG and speed runs are removed or the reliance on them is reduced, simply for the fact that with melding the only frustrated player I have to deal with is myself. I hate doing dungeons when everyone is completely frustrated that every win isn't a speed run, because one little thing went wrong and reduced the drop rate. Some (a lot of) players can be complete douchebags when they don't get what they want.

Why dont you get the speed chest if one little thing goes wrong, its a 25 minute timer in a dungeon that only takes 15 minutes. You should have plenty of extra time even if you wipe.

please dont pretend you didnt get relics because you didnt want too, and just admit that you didnt cause you cant.

[Molly_Millions]

Why dont you get the speed chest if one little thing goes wrong, its a 25 minute timer in a dungeon that only takes 15 minutes. You should have plenty of extra time even if you wipe.

please dont pretend you didnt get relics because you didnt want too, and just admit that you didnt cause you cant.

You're funny. I didn't try because of the reasons I mentioned. I don't have to justify myself to you. But if you'd like ask anyone in my ls to recall the LS meeting I had with them after the introduction of the relic quest.

[EnkiOro]

I'm really curious to how hard you tried on the relic quest, or if you got it done or even flagged. Also your concept is a little skewed, RNG actually makes it so you have to work harder for things. Countless hours of AV/CC for Darklight drops - Thats hard work. You think the people with a good amount of darklight just got it out of sheer luck? Or because they did AV/CC as much as they could, same thing with the Seals in hamlet. Heck me and my LS spent hours farming up mats before hamlet and then hours doing hamlet until everyone got their seals. We worked hard for it, very hard actually. Weapon melds? Rng sure... But also a bit of work unless you have the gil to be lazy. I leveled up my BTN and ALC just to make my whm relic, worked my lala butt off farming Trillium and doing what I could with every synth. I eventually made my own double melded Alkuaraps(sp?) and turned that in. AV/CC 17 minute runs... You think that is pure luck? I hardly doubt it the only bit of RNG that can hamper that is Coincounter spamming AI or Marshal spamming cures BUT even with those set backs the 17 minute runs are all a matter of skill. Same thing the 15 DH run (Which is super easy), Faction quest, Garuda, Ifritx all fights you have to put effort into not to mention Spiritbonding your relic... which if you do it solo thats a few hours of dedicated killing or if some people help you thats like 3 hrs per person.

People like you are really the bane to modern MMO's because you don't realize how big of a role RNG plays on the game and how balanced it keeps things. How RNG makes your hard work show. Because when the odds are 1% sure there MAY be some luck involved but it also takes dedication because statistically you'd have to do the w/e you are doing 100 times to just see one.


Eh, I guess people will have differing views on things. But it just seems that you are posting to post as your post itself was going around in circles and just ended with a general insult to the person you were replying to. Kind of sad :C

Hi Lavieh, not sure if you read all my posts, as I said earlier I only considered RNG Hamlet and the dmeld, as I specified twice on my aforementioned posts. I did flag the quest. In fact, I was gonna work on MNK first, but got lucky on a 1/1 Astrolabe doublemeld (that I did myself, and I'm really happy about). I busted my ass for a week to get my last 8 seals, going to the point of not even sleeping the night before getting my last one from GB. Got my three ores in a night and got two salts right before save.

I'm not going to get defensive by the fact that you call me the bane of MMOs, because I think you didn't get my point at all. I didn't complain about RNG, I just said it was a bottleneck. I've had my share for many years of RNG in FFXI, and I dealt with it just fine. I'm aware of the difficulty of the relic quest. I helped my friends before I had my doublemeld (or had even thought of going for relic). Basically I've done all the steps of relic (even helped in some Ifrit X runs) without needing them. It was fun and enjoyable seeing my friends achieve such feats.

We're not keeping the weapons, I just don't see why people attack people that want them to be kept. Even if people got to keep them (we won't), I don't see why people that want the challenge could just do the quest, and toss it before picking the "real" one up. But all this is silly because no, we won't get to keep them and no amount of whining will make us keep our tooth-fairy relics.

[Lavieh]

Hi Lavieh, not sure if you read all my posts, as I said earlier I only considered RNG Hamlet and the dmeld, as I specified twice on my aforementioned posts. I did flag the quest. In fact, I was gonna work on MNK first, but got lucky on a 1/1 Astrolabe doublemeld (that I did myself, and I'm really happy about). I busted my ass for a week to get my last 8 seals, going to the point of not even sleeping the night before getting my last one from GB. Got my three ores in a night and got two salts right before save.

I'm not going to get defensive by the fact that you call me the bane of MMOs, because I think you didn't get my point at all. I didn't complain about RNG, I just said it was a bottleneck. I've had my share for many years of RNG in FFXI, and I dealt with it just fine. I'm aware of the difficulty of the relic quest. I helped my friends before I had my doublemeld (or had even thought of going for relic). Basically I've done all the steps of relic (even helped in some Ifrit X runs) without needing them. It was fun and enjoyable seeing my friends achieve such feats.

We're not keeping the weapons, I just don't see why people attack people that want them to be kept. Even if people got to keep them (we won't), I don't see why people that want the challenge could just do the quest, and toss it before picking the "real" one up. But all this is silly because no, we won't get to keep them and no amount of whining will make us keep our tooth-fairy relics.

Oh Well : O, my bad! I just happen to have read one of your posts. When you enter a thread and see something sticking out then you don't really bother going back. I just have a rant for all the Anti-RNG people out there^^ Sorry for not doing my research : D.

Who knows maybe SE will be like "Kill ifritx and keep a relic" lol.