SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Shougun]

It's usually not a good idea to use player level/age as the sole determinant of the skill or knowledge of the person behind the keyboard.

I have a level 50 fisher - obviously I am beast like Lu Shang. Also my rod is the biggest.

. . .

[Aenarion]

I have a level 50 fisher - obviously I am beast like Lu Shang. Also my rod is the biggest.

. . .

My Lu Shang rod is bigger than yours!

[Abriael]

Like glass.

Noticeable.

Somethings are safe to assume - hate on pay to win is one of them. Like hate on the random number generator.

Interesting, since on TERA people hate the random number generator like smoke in the eyes, but don't hate chronoscrolls. As a matter of fact, they're well loved.

If increasing RMT demand was your goal. Sure.

No. Reducing the influence of RMT on the market was. And it has been achieved elsewhere. It can be achieved here if well implemented.

You will never be rid of it - but without supporting it in any fashion and only demoting it you will have a real effect on demand, unlike increasing the demand.

You telling it increases the demand based on absurd concepts that have nothing to do with economy and reality doesn't make it so.

Point stands though. if "RMT is still there" is a valid argument to dismiss PLEX, it's a valid argument to dismiss everything that results in it.

I've played the system, I get it.

Looking at how you fail to understand it, I doubt it.

If there was a vote to add the system then so be it - but NEVER in its description should it say "preventive measures aganist RMT" as it promotes RMT.

You saying it does doesn't make it true. i'm quite sure the devs of two different MMORPG knows if it does quite a lot better than you (or me, mind you).

Players will deal with shit just like humans will deal with shit for so long - its just not best to push their shit buttons.. (lots of shit.. lol)

They aren't just "dealing with it", they like it a lot. The same would quite probably happen here. Besides the fact that it combats RMT, people love convenient things, and this system is very convenient.

Considering that I breath the game industry in all aspects of its design I would disagree.

Being a gamer doesn't give you as much knowledge of the industry as a professional, regardless of your lung capacity.

Ask any MMORPG developer what "pay to win" is, and they'll repeat the definition I gace verbatim or almost. That's because that's exactly what I'm doing with the definition I heard from every single one of them I ever talked to. And they're many.

[Abriael]

You accused me of making assumptions, and I explained as far as was necessary.

Gotcha, you were just trying to attack my credibility because you can't attack my arguments, but as Aenarion said...

It's usually not a good idea to use player level/age as the sole determinant of the skill or knowledge of the person behind the keyboard.

It really doesn't help your side.

[Shougun]

skipping because my opinion hasn't changed and neither has yours lol


Being a gamer doesn't give you as much knowledge of the industry as a professional, regardless of your lung capacity.

I am a modder and have a small indie project going on (its cute and takes so much damn time >.> lol). But beyond that I read professional articles and frequent books written by those who have been in key industry roles before.

It is not safe to assume your knowledge is unique to the forums, or the just job position.

Maybe we will run again if Yoshi starts talking about new payment systems but until then we just spent a good few pages talking about the same things over and over.. lol

[Nix]

I thought this was a cool thread at first, some nice ideas being thrown around but it's devolved into pages and pages of people on both sides attacking each-other again.

I can understand that people have very strong views on both sides of the fence, but is this really the right way to voice them? Resorting to personal attacks demeans you, let's be civilized D:

[Duuude007]

Can't attack =/= debating a wall
dismissal =/= debate

[Aenarion]

I thought this was a cool thread at first, some nice ideas being thrown around but it's devolved into pages and pages of people on both sides attacking each-other again.

I can understand that people have very strong views on both sides of the fence, but is this really the right way to voice them? Resorting to personal attacks demeans you, let's be civilized D:

At this point I'm pretty much just sitting back with the popcorn to watch the show, while throwing in a comment or two here and there

Frankly all that can be said has been said more than enough times from both sides, the poor horse is not only dead and beaten, it's been pulverized at this point.

This argument has about as much chance to be productive as a debate about abortion between a tea partier and a feminist activist

[Nix]

At this point I'm pretty much just sitting back with the popcorn to watch the show, while throwing in a comment or two here and there

Frankly all that can be said has been said more than enough times from both sides, the poor horse is not only dead and beaten, it's been pulverized at this point.

This argument has about as much chance to be productive as a debate about abortion between a tea partier and a feminist activist

I like that analogy haha XD

*tries not to step in the horse-mush*

[Duuude007]

Point A: Cash to gil conversions allow Player 1 with money to purchase rare, high-end goods in a fraction of the time it takes Player 2 to farm the same gil

Point B: the more these valuables are purchased by the newly rich players, the higher their demand, as standard means of farming the goods remains flush due to thedifficulty to earn.

Point C supply and demand kicks in- prices rise, the goods become less attainable by standard gil farming, and due to a quick fix being advertised, more are encouraged to purchase what they need to compete in the high end of the game with real money.

The cycle of pay to win begins. sure, some folks, or more specifically powerful linkshells profit, but this could easily spiral into a caste system that, at least in XIV, could have many unfortunate consequences.