SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[indira]

Because it's not nearly the easiest for everyone. Not everyone can afford or is willing to spend money for virtual goods.



The problem with RMT is not that they sell money. The problem with RMT is that they 1: Spam 2: compete against players for drops in order to provide currency to ther gold selling firm.

im not on no ones side but its a free market and non-rmt spam chat trying to sell you things /blist add <name> works or cancel out that chat channel.
cant have a economy anyways unless theres something creating limits like a GDP, SE would have to make there own version of the stock market to fix RMT or other BS that want to hit you in the pockets. just setting prices on items is only a auction meaning anything gos.

RMT aint the problem its the community giving them all that money to exist.

[WHS]

I make less then 30k a year income period. I can afford the sub fee but barely. I probably won't be in game grinding gil 24/7 either cause I have a job. That being said I don't fit into either model. But, I do understand what it feels like to have time to farm gil but no real money to pay a sub in game. I've seen companies reward people who play with game time in other games. Even though on the outside this seems like rmt concept it's not quite the same as the one introduced in ffxi. I found that rmt model to be so constricting on the economy I hated that game for money reasons alone. In game currency was too damn hard to make. I have no issues with this plan being implemented. It seems so different then me going to a website and buying gil. If you don't go with this model all you do is 1) lose the person who can't pay the sub fee. 2) leave all the elites to play with themselves 3) and still have a shit ton of rmt anyways maybe more cause they can do often control the gil. I've played lotro and wow and both don't seem to have any problems with rmt. Sure their gold is sold but I was able to keep my income up enough I never felt the need to buy any gold. Hell lotro even now is free and when I played it was pay monthly like wow and ffxi and this game. Now the worse rmt is turbine themselves lol. Oh well who the hell cares this won't screw a thing over and you people know it. Just stop bitching.

[Headseed]

No one says people have to buy the ingame item. All someone would be buying from SE is a 30 day subscription. However they would get an ingame token. That they could then sell on the market. If people don't want to buy it they dont have to.

[Abriael]

Unfair.
• Buying gil with real life cash.

You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.

I don't see why the system should have to accommodate you. You're not special because you have an extra 15 dollars to spend.

You're assuming I would use the system to sell the subs. And that's a big assumption to make.

im not on no ones side but its a free market and non-rmt spam chat trying to sell you things /blist add <name> works or cancel out that chat channel.

RMTs have access to virtually infinite numbers of accounts. Blacklisting them does nothing.

[Neasa]

So basically this is a way to convert real money into gil.

Nice try.

Bingo.
And if you think there's no problem with that, you are the cancer of online gaming.

[Cynthis]

I support this idea.

[Duuude007]

No you didn't, because in TERA and EVE RMT have very little business and less profitable (because they have to compete with the developer and the whole playerbase).

Less profitable is still profitable. Did you just try to counter me with a partial agreement? Second question: If these systems are so grand, were they there from the start, or was the game dramatically shifted from one p2p style to another, the way you are asserting we should? If it was the latter, SE may consider this argument. If not, you are wasting your time.

Yay strawman.

Well I'm delighted we haven't reduced this conversation to namecalling. Kudos.

The best gear is untradable, and will be even more so (as per information from the devs) in ARR. I'm sure you'll explain to me how those people will manage to somehow purchase it, right?

You've clarified this one argument, and although I vehemently disagree with anything that includes stats whatsoever from ever being counted as purchaseable with irl money... If the gear is entirely bereft of stats, and its development expense is funded exclusively by this potential new cash flow, that is one small point that I am willing to concede.

Quality doesn't pay the bills and/or development. Quantity does.

I agree that this is a good business model. In fact, many MMO's agree. Thank the Twelve that Yoshi-San is not one of them. His focus on quality is the very reason I still play, and likely a condition for me to still play in the future.

I have one for you "Strawman argument". That's what you just did.

You certainly blindsided me with this 'zinger'. Tell me, did you ever look up my term, or did you sidestep the concept just so you could drive your points home?

I don't see why the system should have to accommodate you. You're not special because you have an extra 15 dollars to spend.

You're assuming I would use the system to sell the subs. And that's a big assumption to make.

You may not; you specifically. There are many many people who would without hesitation, however.

[Abriael]

Bingo.
And if you think there's no problem with that, you are the cancer of online gaming.

It's interesting that those that are against it can't provide a single logical argument to support their opinion, but only stale sentences that somehow try to sound like "fact", personal attacks and strawman arguments.

[Abriael]

Less profitable is still profitable. Did you just try to counter me with a partial agreement?

Making it completely unprofitable is pretty much impossible, I'm quite sure making it less profitable is a lot better than doing nothing.

Second question: If these systems are so grand, were they there from the start, or was the game dramatically shifted from one p2p style to another, the way you are asserting we should? If it was the latter, SE may consider this argument. If not, you are wasting your time.

They're not a "shift", they live happily on the side of paid subs. In TERA they were introduced a few months after release. EVE introduced PLEX five years after release.

Well I'm delighted we haven't reduced this conversation to namecalling. Kudos.

Strawman is your argument. Here.

I agree that this is a good business model. In fact, many MMO's agree. Thank the Twelve that Yoshi-San is not one of them. His focus on quality is the very reason I still play, and likely a condition for me to still play in the future.

I meant quantity of subscribers.

You certainly blindsided me with this 'zinger'. Tell me, did you ever look up my term, or did you sidestep the concept just so you could drive your points home?

Didn't need to look it up. The problem is that it doesn't apply to anything I said. I make very few assumptions, as there are some very clear study cases out there that SE can look at for examples. One of them is actually known for providing their data to other companies.

You may not; you specifically. There are many many people who would without hesitation, however.

Sure, and there'd be nothing wrong with that. It would influence anyone else negatively, but it would influence others positively.

I'm not sure about you, but I'd be ok with letting others pay for my entertainment if my wallet were to get tight. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and I would say that something that helps keeping subs up in the market SE is going to launch ARR in is a good thing.

[Hart]

You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.

No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

This is not the same thing as not having enough time to play the game, because...

• Everyone has paid for the same amount of time every month