SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[A_Hortensia]

So basically this is a way to convert real money into gil.

Nice try.

And what exactly would the problem be with that? Do tell.

The dollar isn't the currency of Eorzea.

That's not for you to decide.

Not everything about this idea is bad.
Some people just vehemently dislike the RMT/buying gil aspect of it.
Others also oppose the idea that some play for free while others can not, or want not.

To my surprise, not everyone who plays FFXIV feels that way. Kind of shocking, really.

The reason that RMT is discouraged from games is not for the economy, not because it gives players an "unfair advantage" but for one simple reason - the developers cannot get a slice of this cake, and the game they designed & produced is making other people money.

Um.. but the issue for players really is the unfair advantage; or at least other players playing outside of the rules.

I'm obviously a FF fanboy or whatever, but everything SE has done with XI and XIV doesn't lead me to believe that they'd ever find themselves envious of RMT. All their anti-RMT efforts always seem to me as valid attempts at protecting their customers and their content. That's how I feel.

Someone who thinks purchasing gil with real money is okay, isn't going to understand my passion against it. And I'm not going to suddenly understand their side of it either, I don't think. There's a cultural/philosophical barrier that isn't going to just vanish suddenly.

So debating the issue has proven ineffective. But it's still important for everyone to voice their opinion/concerns. (And not get insulted or mocked for it)

[Shougun]

Lol, you work with the laws of assumption, and from what you say, you never ever set foot on EVE Online or Tera, so you don't even have a basic idea of the results and workings of the system.

The laws of economics are way more complex than the flawed concepts you used. I provided all there was to be provided, and from the development side, people that have worked on MMORPGs professionally for a decade provided the rest.

But i do find absolutely hilarious that you think to know better of the application of economics to MMORPGs than the whole development teams of two different MMOs.

Here's a hint for you, mate. You don't.

You have provided nothing aganist what I said, all you do is say "its flawed, its wrong, it doesnt happen cause I am in a biz"

I never said a dev team has got the idea wrong - just that you do.

Do you think Blizzard didnt know it supported RMT? Of course it did, it wanted to - they made great money off of players money using tax (D3 AH).

You are the only one that doesnt understand the systems at hand. PLEX supports RMT. I never said EVE doesnt undestand that, I am sure they know people are making in game money from real life - they designed the system.

You're the one that mentioned teens. Not me. Besides, with a degree in brand management under my belt, I don't really need to read many more books on economics than the many I already had the pleasure to absorb.

I mentioned teens indeed - but did I say only teens ever and ever? No I didnt - I just pointed out an obvious target audience. Perhaps you looked at the box but you obviously didnt read them.

[Shougun]

I am one to admit I am not very familiar with the system on other games, so won't push my points too hard, however I don't see how it would increase RMT activity, as it is essentially reducing the temptation for Mr. RL-rich to go out and purchase in game currency, as they can obtain it legally - and in game. I don't understand how being able to purchase gil from another player (by paying for their subscription fee - ie, that money goes to SE and not a RMT group), would increase RMT activity. That point to me makes very little sense.

If your point is it increases demand because people will buy gil from RMT's so they can purchase their monthly subscription, then wouldn't they just pay for their own subscription anyway?

I need to put this in a little story to get my own head around it - otherwise I will get confused.

Joe blogs is poor and buys his subscription from an in game item with gil.
John Smith is rich and sells a subscription item.
Where can the RMT get involved in this? I am failing to see where they can interfere. I am sure there are ways, but please enlighten me.

As for scripts hooking into the game - yes I can't see automated "bots" being legal, however I can see graphically enhanced add-ons like displaying HP% and what not being perfectly fine. If they aren't then what kind of "add-on" is even possible viable? I never played WoW because the comic graphics didn't ever appeal to me, but apparently their add-on system was quite good.

The reason why demand would increase is because the price decreased.

If you want something but it costs a lot you buy a little of it. If you want something but it is cheap you buy a lot of it.

PLEX lowers the RMT price because it takes away third party RMT firms monopoly.

You've heard competition is good for the consumer right? Here it is again. lol

[Chardrizard]

I swear i have been reading the same thing from the same 2 users for the last 62 pages. It's time we agree to disagree, in the end we got a positive devs response and that is what matters.

[Abriael]

You have provided nothing aganist what I said, all you do is say "its flawed, its wrong, it doesnt happen cause I am in a biz"

The fact that you plug your ears and ignore points that obliterate yours doesn't make them disappear, I'm afraid.

I never said a dev team has got the idea wrong - just that you do.

That's massively funny, isn't it? Considering that most of the concepts I'm talking about are an almost verbatim repetition of what both CCP and En Masse have said for years, and that can be easily summarized with: "PLEX and Chronoscroll damage RMT".

But you seem to think you know better, why am I surprised? This is a MMORPG forum. The perfect ploriferation ground for gamers that think they know better than those that do this for a living.

I mentioned teens indeed - but did I say only teens ever and ever? No I didnt - I just pointed out an obvious target audience. Perhaps you looked at the box but you obviously didnt read them.

Funny, because that's the least obvious target audience, considering that teens normally have adults to rely upon for their gaming needs.

[GodseijuroHiko]

Joe Bloggs is such a British name.

I haven't heard it since secondary school.

Oh do tell me where you're from!! I had a British background myself so curiosity compels me to know!!! (please)

[Shougun]

The fact that you plug your ears and ignore points that obliterate yours doesn't make them disappear, I'm afraid.

You havent made a single good point you just mention other unrelated things and make worthless posts like this one. "I am owning you" - see my point its right there "I am owning you".

That's massively funny, isn't it? Considering that most of the concepts I'm talking about are an almost verbatim repetition of what both CCP and En Masse have said for years, and that can be easily summarized with: "PLEX and Chronoscroll damage RMT".

Of course they would say it is damaging RMT, you dont say "I'm trying to replace the enemy RMT with my own RMT" when selling the system - just like when they introduce other systems like fatigue (resting bar) they dont call it "stopping you from playing too fast".

But you seem to think you know better, why am I surprised? This is a MMORPG forum. The perfect ploriferation ground for gamers that think they know better than those that do this for a living.

Like yourself apparently.

Funny, because that's the least obvious target audience, considering that teens normally have adults to rely upon for their gaming needs.

Teens that cant get their parents to pay monthly for a game that takes away from their schooling? Hmm.. lol

But I didnt limit it to just teens so I'm not even sure why you are bothering with the statement that wasnt even the point other than to deflect from the obvious fact you've got nothing else to work with.

[Ingolf]

Oh do tell me where you're from!! I had a British background myself so curiosity compels me to know!!! (please)

Wales, It's a beautiful but boring place lol.

[Altena]

The reason why demand would increase is because the price decreased.

If you want something but it costs a lot you buy a little of it. If you want something but it is cheap you buy a lot of it.

PLEX lowers the RMT price because it takes away third party RMT firms monopoly.

You've heard competition is good for the consumer right? Here it is again. lol

I disagree with that example because it is wrong and here is why-

From my observation- RMT's generally make gil from a generated source (such as the loads of RMT's at cedarwood, and probably NPC'ing the junk they get from them). They certainly don't sit there and craft / meld stuff to make their gil as far as I am aware.

Players generally don't, as gil comes from other players by making/melding/selling stuff- which is generally more gil that's already in circulation, rather then generated from game sources. If you were to throw in another source of obtaining gil for those players that were going to purchase gil with real life money anyway, this system simply continues to circulate this gil, instead of getting a 5 mil dump of gil that came from NPC'ing garbage. Sure players that are desperate for gil will probably use the "game generated" method from time to time, but certainly not to the extent that I assume RMT's use it.

This in my opinion (but who really knows til it's effective) would actually lower gil value at a slower rate if it were to be purchased via an RMT, as less gil is being generated from the game sources. People that don't buy gil, will continue to not buy gil (like myself, as I don't see its worth), but those that do will simply buy gil that is already in game circulation.

However personally I can't see that any of this has a major impact on the economy of the game in it's current state - as the current problem sits on a lack of "gil sinks" that are currently in the game. I personally can only think of 1 sink, which is very small and that's the NPC purchased item that is required for class weapons. But this is another economical topic (which I might actually make a thread about) that I think needs to be looked at, as currently 50k for one item that's used occasionally is nothing.

[Abriael]

You havent made a single good point you just mention other unrelated things and make worthless posts like this one. "I am owning you" - see my point its right there "I am owning you".

I haven't? Yoshida seems to differ. Unfortunately you telling "you haven't made a single good point" (funny how you do exactly what you accuse me of doing lol) doesn't make it true.

I know, truth hurts. You'll get used to it.

Of course they would say it is damaging RMT, you dont say "I'm trying to replace the enemy RMT with my own RMT" when selling the system - just like when they introduce other systems like fatigue (resting bar) they dont call it "stopping you from playing too fast".

Oh no your argument is that they lie? LOL. Could you go lower than that? And of course their whole playerbase is so dumb that they don't see through that lie! You must know better than them all I bet.

Here's a hint. No, they don't lie. They just know a lot better than you do, and the result is in front of hundreds of thousands of players every day.

Like yourself apparently.

Unfortunately for your misguided argument, I'm not the one that is trying to pass the idea that two whole development teams are wrong or lying. That'd be you.

Teens that cant get their parents to pay monthly for a game that takes away from their schooling? Hmm.. lol

But I didnt limit it to just teens so I'm not even sure why you are bothering with the statement that wasnt even the point other than to deflect from the obvious fact you've got nothing else to work with.

Oh what i got is someone that mentioned teens to try to downplay the system as something that would only bring in more teens. I know the tricks, my friend. Don't worry.