SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Altena]

Is it selfish of me to expect someone to earn something through work? If so, yeah. Hell yeah, I'm selfish. If you think you're entitled to something that someone else has to work for, simply because you have more money, you are a blight.

This concept is so absurd that it is comparable with the "Pray to the 12 to keep our special gifts!" thread. You don't deserve anything you don't work for.

Working in real life isn't work? Hmm, much harder/mindless/boring (most of the time) then "working" in a game. Besides, a game is considered work? wtf am I playing this for?

(Also stop mentioning bots Altena.. that is against ToS, just like currently so is RMT)

Hmm I skipped over about 30-40 pages of people crying about stuff, but from the 10-20 pages I actually read, the RMT card is being played quite a lot - so I feel bots have a place in this argument. I feel this whole discussion is about reducing "illegal" activity, alongside people crying about it being unfair. It is not like people are unaware. Are we all a part of "Fight Club" or something?

My point? The system would not only reduce RMT activity, but also reduce the need/want/care/temptation of people using third party scripts. In saying that, it has actually been confirmed that 2.0 will allow add-on support - which is in fact third party scripting (although limiting I am sure) - is still considered "illegal" in the current game state.

No I do not bot, and do not encourage it/have the desire to use them. I play this game because I want to play it, not some automated program. But yes they exist, and it's a point that shouldn't be ignored.

[Shougun]

Hmm I skipped over about 30-40 pages of people crying about stuff, but from the 10-20 pages I actually read, the RMT card is being played quite a lot - so I feel bots have a place in this argument. I feel this whole discussion is about reducing "illegal" activity, alongside people crying about it being unfair. It is not like people are unaware. Are we all a part of "Fight Club" or something?

My point? The system would not only reduce RMT activity, but also reduce the need/want/care/temptation of people using third party scripts. In saying that, it has actually been confirmed that 2.0 will allow add-on support - which is in fact third party scripting (although limiting I am sure) - is still considered "illegal" in the current game state.

No I do not bot, and do not encourage it/have the desire to use them. I play this game because I want to play it, not some automated program. But yes they exist, and it's a point that shouldn't be ignored.

RMT currently is illegal, so is bots.

The PLEX system does not reduce any RMT activity it however makes RMT activity safer and more affordable - meaning it will increase the demand of RMTing because the price is now lower. It also allows players who dont have the cash (maybe a teen or something) the ability to farm for a while and pay for their game.

Scripts that hook into the game are illegal both in ARR and now - addons wouldnt hook they are nothing like windowers or the such.

[Altena]

RMT currently is illegal, so is bots.

The PLEX system does not reduce any RMT activity it however makes RMT activity safer and more affordable - meaning it will increase the demand of RMTing because the price is now lower. It also allows players who dont have the cash (maybe a teen or something) the ability to farm for a while and pay for their game.

Scripts that hook into the game are illegal both in ARR and now - addons wouldnt hook they are nothing like windowers or the such.

I am one to admit I am not very familiar with the system on other games, so won't push my points too hard, however I don't see how it would increase RMT activity, as it is essentially reducing the temptation for Mr. RL-rich to go out and purchase in game currency, as they can obtain it legally - and in game. I don't understand how being able to purchase gil from another player (by paying for their subscription fee - ie, that money goes to SE and not a RMT group), would increase RMT activity. That point to me makes very little sense.

If your point is it increases demand because people will buy gil from RMT's so they can purchase their monthly subscription, then wouldn't they just pay for their own subscription anyway?

I need to put this in a little story to get my own head around it - otherwise I will get confused.

Joe blogs is poor and buys his subscription from an in game item with gil.
John Smith is rich and sells a subscription item.
Where can the RMT get involved in this? I am failing to see where they can interfere. I am sure there are ways, but please enlighten me.

As for scripts hooking into the game - yes I can't see automated "bots" being legal, however I can see graphically enhanced add-ons like displaying HP% and what not being perfectly fine. If they aren't then what kind of "add-on" is even possible viable? I never played WoW because the comic graphics didn't ever appeal to me, but apparently their add-on system was quite good.

[Shougun]

I am one to admit I am not very familiar with the system on other games, so won't push my points too hard, however I don't see how it would increase RMT activity, as it is essentially reducing the temptation for Mr. RL-rich to go out and purchase in game currency, as they can obtain it legally - and in game. I don't understand how being able to purchase gil from another player (by paying for their subscription fee - ie, that money goes to SE and not a RMT group), would increase RMT activity. That point to me makes very little sense.

If your point is it increases demand because people will buy gil from RMT's so they can purchase their monthly subscription, then wouldn't they just pay for their own subscription anyway?

I need to put this in a little story to get my own head around it - otherwise I will get confused.

Joe blogs is poor and buys his subscription from an in game item with gil.
John Smith is rich and sells a subscription item.
Where can the RMT get involved in this? I am failing to see where they can interfere. I am sure there are ways, but please enlighten me.

As for scripts hooking into the game - yes I can't see automated "bots" being legal, however I can see graphically enhanced add-ons like displaying HP% and what not being perfectly fine. If they aren't then what kind of "add-on" is even possible viable? I never played WoW because the comic graphics didn't ever appeal to me, but apparently their add-on system was quite good.

The reason why demand would increase is because the price decreased.

If you want something but it costs a lot you buy a little of it. If you want something but it is cheap you buy a lot of it.

PLEX lowers the RMT price because it takes away third party RMT firms monopoly.

You've heard competition is good for the consumer right? Here it is again. lol

[Altena]

The reason why demand would increase is because the price decreased.

If you want something but it costs a lot you buy a little of it. If you want something but it is cheap you buy a lot of it.

PLEX lowers the RMT price because it takes away third party RMT firms monopoly.

You've heard competition is good for the consumer right? Here it is again. lol

I disagree with that example because it is wrong and here is why-

From my observation- RMT's generally make gil from a generated source (such as the loads of RMT's at cedarwood, and probably NPC'ing the junk they get from them). They certainly don't sit there and craft / meld stuff to make their gil as far as I am aware.

Players generally don't, as gil comes from other players by making/melding/selling stuff- which is generally more gil that's already in circulation, rather then generated from game sources. If you were to throw in another source of obtaining gil for those players that were going to purchase gil with real life money anyway, this system simply continues to circulate this gil, instead of getting a 5 mil dump of gil that came from NPC'ing garbage. Sure players that are desperate for gil will probably use the "game generated" method from time to time, but certainly not to the extent that I assume RMT's use it.

This in my opinion (but who really knows til it's effective) would actually lower gil value at a slower rate if it were to be purchased via an RMT, as less gil is being generated from the game sources. People that don't buy gil, will continue to not buy gil (like myself, as I don't see its worth), but those that do will simply buy gil that is already in game circulation.

However personally I can't see that any of this has a major impact on the economy of the game in it's current state - as the current problem sits on a lack of "gil sinks" that are currently in the game. I personally can only think of 1 sink, which is very small and that's the NPC purchased item that is required for class weapons. But this is another economical topic (which I might actually make a thread about) that I think needs to be looked at, as currently 50k for one item that's used occasionally is nothing.