SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Dzian]

Point A: Cash to gil conversions allow Player 1 with money to purchase rare, high-end goods in a fraction of the time it takes Player 2 to farm the same gil

Point B: the more these valuables are purchased by the newly rich players, the higher their demand, as standard means of farming the goods remains flush due to thedifficulty to earn.

Point C supply and demand kicks in- prices rise, the goods become less attainable by standard gil farming, and due to a quick fix being advertised, more are encouraged to purchase what they need to compete in the high end of the game with real money.

The cycle of pay to win begins. sure, some folks, or more specifically powerful linkshells profit, but this could easily spiral into a caste system that, at least in XIV, could have many unfortunate consequences.

The things is that under your example for every newly rich(er) player there's a newly poor(er) player to go with it.
if i were to purchase a plex type item for xiv and sell it in the markets for 10 million gil. (entirely random value) and you were to buy it for 10 million gil then i am 10 million richer you are 10 million poorer. there is still the same level of gil in circulation.

under this scenario it really isnt pay to win. if prices rose drastically as per your point c then more people may buy plex sure but in a bid to attain money for those items more people would be selling the plex and less people buying them as they're needing money for rare items thus supply outweighs demand and prices will infact fall

[syntaxlies]

Do you even have trains in Australia?

[Quesse]

Before lock let me just boil this thread down into a basic summary:

Is it ok to be able to buy gil with real life dollars?

No, it is not.

[Abriael]

Is it ok to be able to buy gil with real life dollars?

No, it is not.

That's not for you to decide. And your lack of arguments doesn't help your point.

Given Yoshida-san's delightfully open minded response, you may be surprised

[Hart]

rare, highly sought goods, lets see:

Mailbreakers doublebound worth 45 mil.

Full stop negated.

Too bad that we aren't talking about 1.0 here.

There it is folks, classic Abriael. Nice deflection.

You're referencing all these charts and dazzling us with all these figures... Then, I see this.

Surely you don't think the value of doublebound mailbreakers is going to change...? The numbers might decrease from its current amount but the true value remains the same. The price of this sword will be the equivalent of 45 million in 2.0.

But you knew that.

[Abriael]

There it is folks, classic Abriael. Nice deflection.

You're referencing all these charts and dazzling us with all these figures... Then, I see this.

Surely you don't think the value of doublebound mailbreakers is going to change...? The numbers might decrease from its current amount but the true value remains the same. The price of this sword will be the equivalent of 45 million in 2.0.

But you knew that.

More petty attacks.

We have already been told clearly that the most powerful equipment in 2.0 will be untradable, as we have already been told that the current relics will be overshadowed by more powerful (untradable) loot.

So yeah, not only the value of those will change (as value always changes as things become obsolete), but they won't in any way give an advantage to those that get em.

This is classic me all right. Bringing solid arguments you have no way to counter. And from all the petty personal attacks we can see in this thread, it makes you (and a few others) real mad.

[Hart]

Not so much mad, as flabbergasted. The way you spin everything is truly an art form.

You talk as if no one strives for anything but the "best" equipment. There will always be pieces of equipment that are comparable to U/U gear because of materia and all of those can be bought. Selling chronoscrolls that are bought with real money to buy any piece of equipment to better your character is pay2win. You're selling the time scrolls, (which you bought with real money) for in-game money. Time scrolls are effectively gil, (if you do not use them yourself, why would you?).

It doesn't matter if the side effect to buying this gil is helpful to someone else, all you're trying to do is cover up the fact that you have bought gil.

[Altena]

I am neutral to the idea.

I would continue paying my normal monthly fee, and would probably not buy these "subscription items" from SE - nor another player for that matter..

But I do know of a couple of people that do have a bit of real life financial struggle (who in my opinion should be focusing on real life, but i'm not one to judge), that would use this system and I can see it working.

The only way this sort of thing would effect the market would be pumping more gil into the world (by NPC'ing items etc). It would simply be like SE adding an expensive / hard to obtain item (such as say, a double melded class weapon or something)~ There is no impact on the economy as gil is not added/taken out of the circulation.

As for those willing to pay for other people's subscription in real life $$, let them. I personally wouldn't pay real life money for in game gil, over and above the monthly fee - but I can't see it as being an advantage over anyone else. You could just as easily open up a 2nd account (ie paying double subscription) and use some kind of farming/gathering/crafting bot to make that gil... This just takes the silly "third party program" side out of it and uses other people's time.

tldr version: It's a good idea, even though I wouldn't use it.

[Andrien]

To many trolls at this point. The facts been brought up countless times and its been gone to blind eyes. While a good amount of individuals do understand how plex/chronoscrolls work, I salute you.

[Abriael]

Not so much mad, as flabbergasted. The way you spin everything is truly an art form.

No need for art. Some arguments are just so weak (and born of selfishness) that they're countered effortlessly.

You talk as if no one strives for anything but the "best" equipment. There will always be pieces of equipment that are comparable to U/U gear because of materia and all of those can be bought. Selling chronoscrolls that are bought with real money to buy any piece of equipment to better your character is pay2win. You're selling the time scrolls, (which you bought with real money) for in-game money. Time scrolls are effectively gil, (if you do not use them yourself, why would you?).

It truly does make me smile how some people fossilized on their own dying ideas of MMORPGs (the same ideas that see game after game become free to play after a few months) continue to try and pass that improper definition of pay to win as real.

Too bad that with that definition, every MMORPG, including this one in both its present and future incarnation, is pay to win. But of course none of them tries to counter this point, because they have no way to do it.

As long as paying doesn't offer an advantage that can't be matched with normal play, it's not pay to win. No matter how many times an overly vocal minority screams "PAY TO WIN! PAY TO WIN! PAY TO WIN!".

That's the definition accepted in the industry, and as such the only one that counts.

it doesn't matter if the side effect to buying this gil is helpful to someone else, all you're trying to do is cover up the fact that you have bought gil.

Oh but of course. As long as other people can't have the same things you can in another way, it doesn't matter if it allows people to help each other, benefit, and ultimately keep the game more stable and lively, with a stronger userbase less vulnerable to the coming of newer games.

Yay selfishness. Luckily the market has long recognized that this stance has no longer a future.