SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Abriael]

Seriously? What do you think is a resultant feeling of being insulted? Joy? It is within the same lines. Dont even play that they are different versions.

But they are. Firmly refuting misguided and misleading arguments has nothing to do with rudeness.

Ok so.. either I missread you are you have been mislead I felt you said that you were saying that PLEX will reduce teh demand on RMT. But now you are saying it will just switch hands...

PLEX is not a RMT firm. It acts on completely different principles and rules (as much as you try very hard to equalize the two to try and put an artificial negative stigma on it)-> PLEX reduces demand for RMT firms by shifting the demand on itself.

The system will only get rid of unmanageable quantities of gil if gil sellers were creating a false demand - which I have no idea how they would do that. Since RMT existence hasnt changed (PLEX system is RMT).

RMT firms already generates unmanageable quantities of gil. That's why they cause heavyb inflation in every game where they prosper.

And I dont consider it a victory at all. I dont want a game that promotes RMT. I rather have it happen in the blackmarket with very high danger then happen safely within rule.

So you'd rather RMT firms damage the economy raidically, negatively affecting everyone's experience of the game (and giving up the chances of retaining more subs), than latting someone else get a limited amount of gil easier.

Thankfully business decisions aren't made on "I want" and "I don't want".

[Shougun]

But they are.

They are not. If I say the world is black, and then say it is full of gloom. I haven't changed my line of thought - you continue to argue over the minutiae.

PLEX is not an RMT firm -> PLEX reduces demand for RMT firms.

Did I say PLEX reduces RMT firms? I said PLEX doesnt change demand for RMT.

RMT firms already generates unmanageable quantities of gil. That's why they cause heavyb inflation in every game where they prosper.

They generate and then hold until it sells. They cannot supply a demand that doesn't exist - if players buy they buy if they dont buy they dont buy.

So you'd rather RMT firms damage the economy raidically, negatively affecting everyone's experience of the game (and giving up the chances of retaining more subs), than latting someone else get a limited amount of gil easier.

Thankfully business decisions aren't made on "I want" and "I don't want".

RMT will exist either way your radically damage speech is mute.

And business decisions are indeed made by I wants and dont wants. Who do you think is the head of a buisiness? A robot?

[Abriael]

They are not. If I say the world is black, and then say it is full of gloom. I haven't changed my line of thought - you continue to argue over the minutiae.

Actually you're the one feeling "insulted" by the simple fact that you're being proven wrong.

Did I say PLEX reduces RMT firms? I said PLEX doesnt change demand for RMT.

Which is inconsequential.

They generate and then hold until it sells. They cannot supply a demand that doesn't exist - if players buy they buy if they dont buy they dont buy.

And if they don't buy from them, they'll have to cut their staff, generating less.

RMT will exist either way your radically damage speech is mute.

According to that logic, SE and other devs should do nothing against RMT, since "it will exist either way".

And business decisions are indeed made by I wants and dont wants. Who do you think is the head of a buisiness? A robot?

No, someone with a strong education and experience in business that makes decisions by weighing pros and cons, not whims.

[Shougun]

Actually you're the one feeling "insulted" by the simple fact that you're being proven wrong.

Proven wrong by what? Your arguments hardly prove anything.

Which is inconsequential.

It is for players who care about RMT - if you go into the game and say "lets make RMT legitimate" people will go "gtfo". Your idea is doing just that.

And if they don't buy from them, they'll have to cut their staff, generating less.

They would only generate less if the demand is such - again why we are caring about "good prices on RMT" and bottom line of the enemy is foolish.

According to that logic, SE and other devs should do nothing against RMT, since "it will exist either way".

By my logic SE and other devs should continue to ban and impose efficient counter measures against players who associate with RMTs. Rather then creating better prices - for said players and promote RMT.

No, someone with a strong education and experience in business that makes decisions by weighing pros and cons, not whims.

And that most players hate pay to win, RMT, will be good when they make that educated decision.

[Abriael]

Proven wrong by what? Your arguments hardly prove anything.

Must be why you feel so offended by them. They prove you wrong plenty.

It is for players who care about RMT - if you go into the game and say "lets make RMT legitimate" people will go "gtfo". Your idea is doing just that.

Hundreds of thousands of players on TERA and EVE online prove you wrong.

They would only generate less if the demand is such - again why we are caring about "good prices on RMT" and bottom line of the enemy is foolish.

Beating the enemy on its own territory is far from foolish.

By my logic SE and other devs should continue to ban and impose efficient counter measures against players who associate with RMTs. Rather then creating better prices - for said players and promote RMT.

You used "RMT will still exist" as an argument to dismiss PLEX. So the same argument can be used to dismiss any other countermeasure, since "RMT will still exist" whether they are in place or not.

And that most players hate pay to win, RMT, will be good when they make that educated decision.

Again, hundreds of thousands of players on TERA and EVE online (not to mention the rather large and growing number of likes on the OP) prove you wrong.

Thinking that your opinion is automatically matched by the majority is a rather fallacious train of thought.

PLEX-like systems have already been accepted without incidents by two rather large playerbases. They have actually been accepted much easier than other concepts as simple and relatively innocuous as completely cosmetic cash shops.

Yoshida already said that he finds the concept interesting, and if he were to introduce it, the ARR playerbase in general wouldn't break a sweat.

[Shougun]

Must be why you feel so offended by them. They prove you wrong plenty.

Only offended because I am a precious snowflake and found it rude that you felt to claim such a power over economy and others cant, which you obviously don't have anyways.

Hundreds of thousands of players on TERA and EVE online prove you wrong.
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Interesting that the common response in the FFXIV forums about Tera and Eve is no thanks.
Your idea has its place, and it is not here. Just like F2P has its place.

Beating the enemy on its own territory is far from foolish.
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You haven't beaten them you have just pushed them to make a more competitive offer.

You used "RMT will still exist" as an argument to dismiss PLEX. So the same argument can be used to dismiss any other countermeasure, since "RMT will still exist" whether they are in place or not.
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To create a more effective RMT is what PLEX does. To demote RMT all together by banning those interested in it is a REAL method to lower demand on RMT.

Again, hundreds of thousands of players on TERA and EVE online (not to mention the rather large and growing number of likes on the OP) prove you wrong. *

Proves me wrong? All the likes on your OP post must be the perfect sample size right? I dont think so. Besides from reading most comments they dont even understand it supports pay to win.

Thinking that your opinion is automatically matched by the majority is a rather fallacious train of thought.

Perhaps, but I feel safe to say given a flat out description "supports RMT" "doesnt support RMT" option they will almost always pick the later.

According to the most widely accepted definition in the industry Pay to Win (as I already specified multiple times) implies an advantage that cannot be gained with normal gameplay.

IS not the industry standard.

[Abriael]

Only offended because I am a precious snowflake and found it rude that you felt to claim such a power over economy and others cant, which you obviously don't have anyways.

you offend easily, mate

Interesting that the common response in the FFXIV forums about Tera and Eve is no thanks.
Your idea has its place, and it is not here. Just like F2P has its place.

Again, you seem to identify your opinion with that of the majority. Looks like selective reading to me.

It's not for you to decide what place my idea has (it's not really "my" idea mind you, as it's been invented by people that know about making MMORPGs much better than me and you combined).

You haven't beaten them you have just pushed them to make a more competitive offer.

Which is equivalent to beating them if that offer reduces their influence on the market.

To create a more effective RMT is what PLEX does. To demote RMT all together by banning those interested in it is a REAL method to lower demand on RMT.

Looks like it didn't work so far. "RMT Still exist". If you apply this concept to dismiss PLEX, then you apply it to every measure that results in "RMT still exists", which includes every single RMT countermeasure ever implemented.

Proves me wrong? All the likes on your OP post must be the perfect sample size right? I dont think so. Besides from reading most comments they dont even understand it supports pay to win.

Actually they understand the system much better than you do, mostly because a lot of them tried games that include it, and have seen its effects first hand, like I did, and you don't seem to have.

Perhaps, but I feel safe to say given a flat out description "supports RMT" "doesnt support RMT" option they will almost always pick the later.

Too bad that that "flat out" description is intentionally misleading. If you gave that "flat out" description on TERA and on EVE, they'd probably agree. But they know that the system doesn't match that misleading description, so they accepted it. All it would take is for yoshida to explain it in detail, and most would accept it, exactly like it happened elsewhere.

MMORPG players are MMORPG players. If you think that the few super-hardcore FFXI players that never played anything else have any numbers to be any majority anywhere, i see a rather large delusion there.

IS not the industry standard.

Considering that I work in the industry, I feel rather confident in saying that I know what the industry standard is quite a tad better than you do