SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Abriael]

I know full well what dual boxing is.
You're still playing the game to progress in the game.

And you get an advantage putting in more money, but spending exactly the same amount of time.

If any individual isn't willing to put forth their money to help put food on the tables of the families of developers who work their asses off making our game fantastic:
Then get the ____ out. We don't want you here.
There are many alternatives, they won't be Final Fantasy though.

What an elitist statement. But ultimately not very realistic.

With this system people that would pay their account with gil would still work for it. Just in a different way (gathering gil). By paying gil to those selling the chronoscroll/PLEX item, they provide the motivation for them to give more money to the developers, rather directly helping put food on the tables of the developers who work their asses off.

Also, as an episode of extra credits very aptly stated, even players who don't directly pay are a resource for developers, as they *are* by all means and purpose *content* that helps keeping the game crowded and lively, making it more attractive.

For someone so worried about helping put food on the tables of the families of the developers who work their asses off, you're very quick at dismissing a method that would help retaining subscribers, which equates to putting food on the tables of the families of the developers who work their asses off.

[Maxthunder]

And you get an advantage putting in more money, but spending exactly the same amount of time.



What an elitist statement. But ultimately not very realistic.

With this system people that would pay their account with gil would still work for it. Just in a different way (gathering gil). By paying gil to those selling the chronoscroll/PLEX item, they provide the motivation for them to give more money to the developers, rather directly helping put food on the tables of the developers who work their asses off.

Also, as an episode of extra credits very aptly stated, even players who don't directly pay are a resource for developers, as they *are* by all means and purpose *content* that helps keeping the game crowded and lively, making it more attractive.

For someone so worried about helping put food on the tables of the families of the developers who work their asses off, you're very quick at dismissing a method that would help retaining subscribers, which equates to putting food on the tables of the families of the developers who work their asses off.

I think the biggest and most pressing question is: What you do get/gain from a system like this. Why are you pushing so hard for this. Personally we dont need this kinda of system no matter what kind of reasons or excusses anyone can come up with. I believe there's more to this than what you are saying and I highly doubt this is for SE or other players benefits. It would be nice if the mods would come close this thread as all you are doing is bumping it for your own agenda.

[AhmeraMae]

I think the biggest and most pressing question is: What you do get/gain from a system like this. Why are you pushing so hard for this.

Stable economy
reduction of illegal and destructive RMT
overall larger playerbase

Personally we dont need this kinda of system

Then you are an ignorant and self-centered person. Also: wha..?

no matter what kind of reasons or excusses anyone can come up with.

did i mention ignorant? Also there's a difference between an excuse and a reason. Remember your childhood? "Don't you dare talking back to me?" Yeah, your partens don't understand that concept aswell.

I believe there's more to this than what you are saying and I highly doubt this is for SE or other players benefits.

If you believe that "we" secretly want to break this great game and keep aspects from you on purpose, an intelligent person would do some research for himself and present his findings. Are you afraid of what you might find?

It would be nice if the mods would come close this thread as all you are doing is bumping it for your own agenda.

m(

[Maxthunder]

Stable economy
reduction of illegal and destructive RMT
overall larger playerbase




Then you are an ignorant and self-centered person. Also: wha..?


did i mention ignorant? Also there's a difference between an excuse and a reason. Remember your childhood? "Don't you dare talking back to me?" Yeah, your partens don't understand that concept aswell.



If you believe that "we" secretly want to break this great game and keep aspects from you on purpose, an intelligent person would do some research for himself and present his findings. Are you afraid of what you might find?



m(

Regardless of what you say will happen, it is a system so that the lazy can buy their way to the top w/o putting very much effort into the game. Now if someone has everything they want why would they stay? Whats the point in playing ? friends? just logging in too chat (theres cheaper ways to chat)? Lets not make XIV like every other standard MMO out there, lets make XIV unique and different period!!!

[AhmeraMae]

Regardless of what you say will happen, it is a system so that the lazy can buy their way to the top w/o putting very much effort into the game. Now if someone has everything they want why would they stay? Whats the point in playing? friends?

You sort of answered your questions yourself. It's "reason". No one of sound mind would "buy their way to the top, then abandon the game for lack of content".

Let's assume someone isn't the brightest and does act this way: That is a player you don't want to stay anyway. He leaves on it's own. How would he have friends ingame? As you stated, he bought his "way to the top". No player interaction needed.
(Sarcasm: even though i still don't know which vendor is offering DL-gear and relics.)

Lets not make XIV like every other standard MMO out there, lets make XIV unique and different period!!!

Now here's something that really amuses me: XIV is exactly as you don't want it to be.
It's a standard MMO by all means! If you disagree, what makes this game differ from other avatar-based mmo's regarding game mechanics?

[A_Hortensia]

Uh-oh! Abriael is cracking; got you to also use the bold font. I feel pretty awesome now!

Cool what I can do when I get upfront about the issue instead of pompously dismissing it like a certain someone!

You know what? It is an elitist statement, because I believe before XI was the best game, and now I think FFXIV will be the best game. Best also meaning elite, even though you already know what it means I figured I'd just sidetrack and inform you anyway because that's what you've been doing to other people. My way of thinking is also elitist because I'm only talking from the experiences of only 2 MMOs that I've ever played for more than a day. Label it, and then deal with it.

I don't want free loaders who don't carry their weight; I want everyone to be in this adventure together at equal customers.

Also, people are using the term RMT as a noun referring to the cheaters/botters/spammers. Except the reality that RMT is just "Real Money Trade". The moment you use USD to get gil, you have also just become an RMT.

There's no way you can make "Spend USD, get gil!" sound good.

When FFXI players did everything there was to do (unlikely) they took a break. The content, people, and experience would lead them to come back. FFXI was/is a huge success. They have nothing to worry about.

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By the way, axemtitanium: It is nice to think developers appreciate every player individually. I personally believe they do, you don't, that's cool. They sent me an e-mail saying: "Hey Eric, sorry XIV is terrible, we understand that you love the hell out of us and our series and we feel really bad. Because we have so much pride from being the best all the damn time, we're going to fix this, because we feel like we let you down." I think SE cares a lot. I think we should also care a lot!

[axemtitanium]

Uh-oh! Abriael is cracking; got you to also use the bold font. I feel pretty awesome now!

Cool what I can do when I get upfront about the issue instead of pompously dismissing it like a certain someone!

You know what? It is an elitist statement, because I believe before XI was the best game, and now I think FFXIV will be the best game. Best also meaning elite, even though you already know what it means I figured I'd just sidetrack and inform you anyway because that's what you've been doing to other people. My way of thinking is also elitist because I'm only talking from the experiences of only 2 MMOs that I've ever played for more than a day. Label it, and then deal with it.

I don't want free loaders who don't carry their weight; I want everyone to be in this adventure together at equal customers.

Also, people are using the term RMT as a noun referring to the cheaters/botters/spammers. Except the reality that RMT is just "Real Money Trade". The moment you use USD to get gil, you have also just become an RMT.

There's no way you can make "Spend USD, get gil!" sound good.

When FFXI players did everything there was to do (unlikely) they took a break. The content, people, and experience would lead them to come back. FFXI was/is a huge success. They have nothing to worry about.

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By the way, axemtitanium: It is nice to think developers appreciate every player individually. I personally believe they do, you don't, that's cool. They sent me an e-mail saying: "Hey Eric, sorry XIV is terrible, we understand that you love the hell out of us and our series and we feel really bad. Because we have so much pride from being the best all the damn time, we're going to fix this, because we feel like we let you down." I think SE cares a lot. I think we should also care a lot!

Hooray! Someone replied to me directly! I was beginning to think I was just talking to a wall or people with selective hearing (reading?) or something. Anyway, I'm sure SE cares a lot, but not to the extent that they would deny a source of potentially more customers. Money is money and a company doesn't care who's doing the giving and how much, as long as it's "more". As I've said, there's no guarantee that PLEX will work for XIV but I think there's plenty of data and experience out there to suggest that it's worth a try.

I also don't think there's a necessary correlation between users of this system and "hardcore"-ness. One of the best players I know (no longer active) has bought a TON of gil (he claims it's in the $1000s range) in this game as a way to quickly bypass the hamlet and relic double-meld portions of the relic quest. I don't condone his patronage of economy-busting RMT but I can't deny that he's an incredibly knowledgable and skilled player. Just because one player does or doesn't pay $10 a month has no bearing on skill or dedication.

Regardless of what you say will happen, it is a system so that the lazy can buy their way to the top w/o putting very much effort into the game. Now if someone has everything they want why would they stay? Whats the point in playing ? friends? just logging in too chat (theres cheaper ways to chat)? Lets not make XIV like every other standard MMO out there, lets make XIV unique and different period!!!

If Yoshi-P is to be believed, the best equipment will be U/U anyway so once you get a decent double-meld, it'll put you at the stats you need to run the content that will earn you your U/U best-in-slot.

I still don't like the idea that FFXIV would then have to rely on subscribers who are willing to pay for more then 1 subscription, in order for another player to purchase game time via in-game currency (which would basically mean, playing for free) while retaining the same revenue for the game. Even it isn't required to do so.

I don't believe the system would rely on these types of people. The original system of a regular monthly fee would still be in place for the vast majority of players who don't want to bother with either side of the equation---playing for free or purchasing gil.

[syntaxlies]

Hooray! Someone replied to me directly! I was beginning to think I was just talking to a wall or people with selective hearing (reading?) or something. Anyway, I'm sure SE cares a lot, but not to the extent that they would deny a source of potentially more customers. Money is money and a company doesn't care who's doing the giving and how much, as long as it's "more". As I've said, there's no guarantee that PLEX will work for XIV but I think there's plenty of data and experience out there to suggest that it's worth a try.

I also don't think there's a necessary correlation between users of this system and "hardcore"-ness. One of the best players I know (no longer active) has bought a TON of gil (he claims it's in the $1000s range) in this game as a way to quickly bypass the hamlet and relic double-meld portions of the relic quest. I don't condone his patronage of economy-busting RMT but I can't deny that he's an incredibly knowledgable and skilled player. Just because one player does or doesn't pay $10 a month has no bearing on skill or dedication.

i don't think gil in the thousands range would get anyone to far, he should have just did one leve.

[axemtitanium]

i don't think gil in the thousands range would get anyone to far, he should have just did one leve.

I'm pretty sure US$1000s would mean hundreds of millions of gil.

[syntaxlies]

I'm pretty sure US$1000s would mean hundreds of millions of gil.

ah, i didnt think of it that way,lol. who would spend 1000's to do the relic quest then quit. I call BS on that. either the guy is fake or he didnt quit.