SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Aenarion]

If this system works so well then why are EVE and TERA's numbers so low?

LOL.

sorry, but I just couldn't...LOL

You realize that Eve Online is the only MMO that have continued to grow year after year since it first came out in 2003 right? No, of course you don't, else you wouldn't be making that asinine statement.

Does Eve Online have the subscriber base of WoW or SWTOR or other of your typical mainstream theme-park MMO? no, but that is because Eve is a niche game designed for a specific audience, it has nothing to do with the PLEX system. Eve doesn't hold your hand like most MMOs do these days.

In FF14 the most you have to worry about is putting together a good party to clear the harder contents for the best gear. If FF14 was Eve, you'd be worrying about getting to the dungeon without getting killed by other players first, because those dungeons would be in nullsec, and then you'd still have to keep your eyes out while fighting the boss just in case someone already probed out your location and is about to hotdrop a fleet of capitals on your head.

In FF14, when you die, all you lose is a bit of time and some gear durability. In Eve when you "die", you usually lose everything you have on you, permanently. It makes every decision and fight matter, because you actually have something on the line.

This is why Eve will always be a niche game, because most MMO gamers are so risk-adverse they'll never dare to play a game where they can permanently lose their stuff, and in Eve, it's not a question of whether you will lose stuff or not, it's just a matter of when.

I would really like to see a rep post here. This debate just keeps going in circles, and personal attacks are getting kind of ridiculous.

Well, that's the internet for you, and this type of topics are usually very controversial. It's really unfortunate really, because it would make for some good discussions if people would actually put in the time to think and discuss things intelligently, which you seems to have been doing, instead of jumping to conclusions based on faulty assumptions.

[Kyri]

Id love this option and also a closer look into the payment options. No matter what payment type I try I almost ALWAYS get hit with a error code trying to pay. Why should it be so hard and frustrating to have them take my money? Before someone says "Your doing it wrong" there's actually a lot of posts of people having this same issue and if it pops up you have to wait 24 hrs, try again and get the same code. It's a issue there side they constantly try do blame on your bank/CC. I wish it wasn't so bloody difficult to give you money SE!

[Kyri]

On a side note im also down with cosmetic cash shops. If someone wants to pay for a bad ass skin or bikini that's their prerogative. I personally do like to buy a few skins, but im against actual useful items that cause the player base to -have- to spend the money to get things done.

[Gokulo]

Great, informative topic. Thanks Abriael and others that some very good posts here.

At the same time my frustration while reading it was reaching critical levels. I always forget how there's a big part of FF community is it's own kind of breed, allergic to logic and facts. It's like we are in the Dark Ages....

Personally, while it is clear that a system like that won't just pop up at launch (and anyone thinking that people are arguing that it should... just get out), I believe it could be a pretty good idea to consider that approach in the long run. S-E will know the best what they may or may not do with their game, irrelevant on what is said here.

[axemtitanium]

Cui bono

I think instead of actually legitimizing this whole thing, we should look at the people defending it.

Oh look, Abriael has been playing since launch and doesn't have a crafting or gathering job to 50. By reading his lodestone blog, I see that he might have an issue with gil. Also by looking at his start date and his current job levels, I now see where hes coming from when he says

• axemtitanium - No crafting what-so-ever and no gathering job either.
• Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

Makes me wonder, might you three have some extra pocket change you might want to convert to gil? Hmmm...

What the? If you think crafting or gathering is the fastest way to make money in this game, you're dead wrong. I've made 6-18M gil of pure profit in an afternoon of spiritbonding without trying. Unless you have the devil's luck double-melding relics, no crafter can make that kind of money that quickly with just 20 market ward slots. I've also made 5-10M per session farming Garlean mats with the LS. If anything, I'd be one of the people buying PLEX for gil to play this game for free. At any rate, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'd know that I don't think a PLEX-type system is guaranteed to work with XIV. I'm merely suggesting the idea has merit and is worthy of consideration, instead of dismissal outright. Ad hominem attacks don't benefit the debate at all.

I would be in favor of the Flex Pass it it acted as a "Buddy Pass" with a Registration & Delivery System outside of the game world.

If it were an in-game trade-able (for gil) item, I do not see how it would limit RMT. In fact I believe it would encourage more RMT. Here is my reasoning:

I would basically have 3 options to play the game:

1) Pay my monthly fee of $10 or $15 USD.

2) Farm enough gil in-game to buy a Flex Pass: Price unknown but let's say 150,000 gil (could be 1-2 mil though)

3) Pay an RMT $10.00 USD for 1 mil gil, buy Flex Pass for 150,000 and still have 850,000 gil left over.
3a) or Pay RMT $5.00 USD for 500,000 gil and still have 350,000 gil left over.

Now if the Flex Passes start selling for 1-2 mil gil, yes the RMT's would have to work harder for less profit but they would adjust and everyone going for option 2 (farming gil) would suffer from inflation.

Bottom line for me though is this: I just don't like the idea of Purchasing In-Game money with IRL Money (which is what "sellers" of the Flex Pass would be doing) and is why I stay away from supposed "Free-to-Play" games and "Cash Shop" games and I would stay away from FFXIV if it takes that route also.

I'm sorry if "I don't like it" is not a good enough reason for anyone else but it's good enough for me.

No real life situation would ever result in this scenario. You can't make up numbers for this because that's never how it would work in real life. Players who purchase PLEX to sell for in-game currency will ALWAYS undercut the RMT in order to get their PLEX sold, forcing RMT to continuously lower their prices to stay competitive. At a certain point, RMT stops being (reasonably) profitable in this game, compared to a different MMO without this system so they'll jump ship to another game. Also, consider this: why would you ever buy gil from an RMT with the risk of getting your account banned if you can purchase it legally at a better rate? The choice is a no-brainer.

[Denmo]

I can't say I'm for or against it, because I haven't played TERA or EVE, and I don't know how similiar/different they are to 2.0. If such a system would benefit the game without hurting new players, then I'd be all for it.

But TBH, I don't want to see my Final Fantasy turn into some kind of capitalistic corporate market, where the largest Free Companies are the ones that are headed by Mr. Rich Guy A and Mr. Rich Guy B, who operate on the idea of turning a profit from the game. Just doesn't sound very... Final Fantasy, y'know?

[Elexia]

So, since you have absolutely no solid argument, now you're resorting to personal attacks and assumptions (not that you didn't before, anyway)?

"I'm not rude or confrontational"..continue to deny it all you want, it wasn't a personal attack lol, it's called an observation.

[Nuru]

But TBH, I don't want to see my Final Fantasy turn into some kind of capitalistic corporate market, where the largest Free Companies are the ones that are headed by Mr. Rich Guy A and Mr. Rich Guy B, who operate on the idea of turning a profit from the game. Just doesn't sound very... Final Fantasy, y'know?

That's another thing. In a way, this game will be more like a pay-to-win. Just not the same pay model, but definitely can work in a similar fashion.

[debola]

That's another thing. In a way, this game will be more like a pay-to-win. Just not the same pay model, but definitely can work in a similar fashion.

Thank you, thank you. what ive been saying all along.

[syntaxlies]

if you have legacy then its $10 a month which is 120 a year. that's the price of 2 full price games that cost $60.each. I think a game you can play everyday for a year is worth the price of 2 games you would prob only play for a few weeks so I don't see the need for anything to change. For people who don't have legacy, you'll have to pay a little more, sucks to be i guess.