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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Hortensia View Post
    10 char. Are you serious? (In regards to FFXI Special Task Force)

    It did work. We saw progress. Our AHs weren't inflated to hell.
    The massive prices on the AH I've seen just a few months ago say the opposite.

    Banning accounts works very badly in combating RMT, because besides the very possible collateral damage (and in fact it happened), RMTs have access to a virtually infinite number of accounts through credential theft or credit card fraud.

    What SE did in XI is simply a very extensive game of whack-a-mole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    I don't need opinion, RMT exist in all MMOs and I can link you to any site proving it. Fact is you're talking out of your ass and I have sources to back up my claims.
    Too bad that all you can prove is nothing else than a strawman argument, as no one here argued that RMT doesn't exist in any game. Try harder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    The massive prices on the AH I've seen just a few months ago say the opposite.

    Banning accounts works very badly in combating RMT, because besides the very possible collateral damage (and in fact it happened), RMTs have access to a virtually infinite number of accounts through credential theft or credit card fraud.

    What SE did in XI is simply a very extensive game of whack-a-mole.



    Too bad that all you can prove is nothing else than a strawman argument, as no one here argued that RMT doesn't exist in any game. Try harder
    I can give you links to many sites all selling currency for the games this system supposedly worked in, no fewer than a dozen each. Not only do RMT exist for those games, they're all over the place.

    Still waiting for even one link supporting this system's effectiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    I can give you links to many sites all selling currency for the games this system supposedly worked in, no fewer than a dozen each. Not only do RMT exist for those games, they're all over the place.

    Still waiting for even one link supporting this system's effectiveness.
    http://rushprnews.com/2012/07/11/new...nomy-by-mmobux



    This graph shows that RMT prices for in-game currency in EVE have dropped nearly 75% since the introduction of the PLEX system in 2009. That means that RMTers have earned 75% less profits since PLEX was implemented. PLEX works. Sources, huzzah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by axemtitanium View Post
    http://rushprnews.com/2012/07/11/new...nomy-by-mmobux



    This graph shows that RMT prices for in-game currency in EVE have dropped nearly 75% since the introduction of the PLEX system in 2009. That means that RMTers have earned 75% less profits since PLEX was implemented. PLEX works. Sources, huzzah!
    Very nice. Thanks Another post that goes to the first page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Very nice. Thanks Another post that goes to the first page.
    Too bad it'll be ignored lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axemtitanium View Post


    This graph shows that RMT prices for in-game currency in EVE have dropped nearly 75% since the introduction of the PLEX system in 2009. That means that RMTers have earned 75% less profits since PLEX was implemented. PLEX works. Sources, huzzah!
    Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

    And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

    PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

    Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

    And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

    PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

    Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.
    I've never played EVE but as far as I can tell, GTC was not implemented specifically as an RMT countermeasure. Rather it was a glorified subscription-gifting system---like gifting Xbox Live 12-month cards before that became a real thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.
    Deflation, it's called deflation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

    PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

    Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.
    You're wrong. There were GTC's before, but they were not usid ingame. They existed as a string of numbers that would grant you 60 days playtime if entered in the corresponding field in your account mgmt page.

    They then developed the idea of sabotaging RMT and started using these as an ingame item, developed the term "PLEX", which means "Pilot License Extension".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.
    But ISK isn't inflated.

    And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

    PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

    Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.
    I see some furious googling there. You don't sound like someone that would know anything about EVE to be honest.

    The graph is relevant because the procedure for the trade of GTC was definitely unwieldy and didn't work through the in-game commerce features.

    Not only. Fluctuations happen in every market, but the downward trend is absolutely evident. There was no other event around the start date of the graph that could have caused the downward trend, so your wrench isn't as effective as you would like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AhmeraMae View Post
    Deflation, it's called deflation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    But ISK isn't inflated.
    When currency gains in value and items cost less currency, thats deflation.
    When currency loses value and items cost more currency, thats inflation.

    That chart shows a downward trend in currency value. Inflation.
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