SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Abriael]

Source?
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Try playing them. If you don't, you don't have much title to comment about it. Multiple people that play them already confirmed it in this very thread.

As a matter of fact, your opinion on the matter is rather inconsequential. SE can do exactly what En Masse did, and go to CCP asking for support. As they did with En Masse, they'll probably be happy to provide all the data on the issue SE needs to judge.

Two points.

1: Exchanging in-game currency for real money hasn't ever been allowed in any SE ToS since they started creating MMOs. Furthermore, any reward-based event (Mog Bonanza- a sort of lottery in FFXI of coveted in-game items) has come with rules stating that the winning tickets for these items cannot be exchanged for real-life money as reward. Why do you think SE would break it's own ToS in this instance?

TOS change all the time to suit a company's needs. All they need to do is to send you a mail inviting you to aknowledge it again. I think the Xbox Live TOS changed about five times in the last two years.

2: FFXIV's about to go down, bro. Don't you think it's a little late for "add this, that and this!!" suggestions to be implemented into 2.0?

There's always time to add new things, "bro". It doesn't even need to be there at launch.

[Kiroh]

Try playing them. If you don't, you don't have much title to comment about it. Multiple people that play them already confirmed it in this very thread.

Unable to confirm source/unreliable source.

[A_Hortensia]

And it didn't work.

10 char. Are you serious? (In regards to FFXI Special Task Force)

It did work. We saw progress. Our AHs weren't inflated to hell.
We saw mass amounts of RMT disappear from Diabolos. We regained a lot of control in a lot of in-game economic areas where we desperately needed it back, like fishing and mining.

We reported, the GMs answered, they said: "We'll look into it" and within weeks, tons of accounts were banned, gil was frozen. We even had non-RMT casualties in the process, with the global bans of people who were caught duplicating items in Salvage. Some people were mad, most just remade their characters, or fought for their characters back and they were glad that SE was serious about making FFXI the absolute best experience they could, even when they didn't have to.

Linkshells notorious for botting claims got some of their accounts banned, even accounts had held the entire LS bank. Everyone who tried to break the ToS in any regards, not just chinese teenagers in internet cafe sweatshops, were dealt with. SE loves the hell out of their products, and their customers, they worked their asses off.

I was there, I experienced all of that, and I was grateful.

There is no way to reduce crime to 0%. There's no way to reduce RMT to 0%.
But holy hell did they ever put in the work. AND, they kept us updated constantly on their progress.

I don't even.. I can't even..

[Abriael]

Unable to confirm source/unreliable source.

Fact is that your opinion is inconsequential. SE is able to acquire all the data they need.

[Kiroh]

Fact is that your opinion is inconsequential. SE is able to acquire all the data they need.

I don't need opinion, RMT exist in all MMOs and I can link you to any site proving it. Fact is you're talking out of your ass and I have sources to back up my claims.

[Elexia]

Translation of the above: "My arguments have been demolished, I don't know how to argue further. Therefore, I will insult my opposition."

It's ironic you dislike people being rude and confrontational..yet that's all you are.

[Abriael]

10 char. Are you serious? (In regards to FFXI Special Task Force)

It did work. We saw progress. Our AHs weren't inflated to hell.

The massive prices on the AH I've seen just a few months ago say the opposite.

Banning accounts works very badly in combating RMT, because besides the very possible collateral damage (and in fact it happened), RMTs have access to a virtually infinite number of accounts through credential theft or credit card fraud.

What SE did in XI is simply a very extensive game of whack-a-mole.

I don't need opinion, RMT exist in all MMOs and I can link you to any site proving it. Fact is you're talking out of your ass and I have sources to back up my claims.

Too bad that all you can prove is nothing else than a strawman argument, as no one here argued that RMT doesn't exist in any game. Try harder

[axemtitanium]

You're right, you don't think. If you even half believe there is a single game out there without a large RMT population you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that gets rid of RMT is when people stop playing the game and there's no one left to buy their products.

This isn't a new idea, and it's not going to change anything. It won't even make it harder for RMT to make money because RMT don't actually put any work into the game in the first place. Unlike you, they simply start a bot program and let it run until they've made enough of what they want to sell to make a profit. That you think you have the solution to change that and know more about combating RMT than SE does (or at least enough so you think they should change their billing system to support what you want them to do) is arrogant, ridiculous, and just plain wrong.

RMT is a bit more complicated than that but for the purposes of argument, let's say that you can just bot botany (pun only partially intended) to gather items to sell. First, this is one of the slowest but most easily automated money-making tasks in the game. However, by increasing competition for the price of gil, you decrease the amount of money they make per time doing this bot task. If they can't make enough gil in 1 month of botting to cover the cost of subscription, internet costs, and computer costs, then this ceases to be a profitable solution.

Let's go the next step up: farming for fleece. This requires much more monthly subscription cost since each account must be separate to get the proper leves. It's probably still bottable to some extent, but might require some supervision, which adds a human labor cost. Again, lowering the amount of real money that gil sells for will lower the RMT's bottom line and make this unprofitable.

Next step up: spiritbonding in Natalan. This again requires multiple monthly subscriptions AND requires at least 1 actual person to be operating the character at all times, but has the potential to be very profitable. Who knows if RMT gil prices will fall to the extent that this stops being worthwhile over time.

And a hypothetical final step that you suggested: selling U/U item drops. This is probably completely unfeasible since it requires at least 7 people working full-time to help 1 paying customer. These 7 people also have to get well-geared so there's a high up-front cost before it becomes profitable. It's probably more trouble than it's worth, especially because that initial gear investment is completely lost if the account(s) get banned.

In each of these cases, yes, RMTs can use the PLEX system to pay for their own subscriptions but that only serves to lower their bottom line even further since it cuts into their profits by having to use the product they're selling. I know SE has been combating RMT for 10 years now and they're probably decently good at it. However, EVE Online has proposed an alternative to traditional RMT-management which seems to have worked.

[GodseijuroHiko]

That would be off topic, I'd say.

I agree, kinda. My bad. Let's continue to argue in circles. Its a good system. RMT Bad, no. You don't even understand the system, don't comment. The system works, but SE will never allow it. I see how the system could work but I don't want it. ||:||

[Abriael]

It's ironic you dislike people being rude and confrontational..yet that's all you are.

I'm afraid that demolishing your misguided and hateful arguments doesn't equate to being rude or confrontational. As much as you don't like it.