SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[GodseijuroHiko]

Please explain to me how I have attacked him personally. Especially since this, your previous post, and his replies to me have insulted my intelligence and are the ones that seem to be attacking me. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't UNDERSTAND it.

I'm fairly intelligent when it comes to classes relying on reading/writing and comprehending concepts. I'm mediocre at understanding math. You will never see me on a forum arguing mathematics. Not my forte. You made assumptions on a system you still don't yet fully understand. I'm not going to argue with you on that since people who do understand can see your comments and decide for themselves. You ignore the entire thread to ask him if he's going to be a gill buyer or support the gil buyer buy purchasing his scroll. It doesn't even add to the discussion. You just wanted to put him on the spot. Ask yourself, how does it bring anything of value to what we're talking about here. If you feel your intelligence is threatened, it's all on you. You lack understanding of the plex system while also forgetting that RMT already do exist. What can we do to thwart them? If you can stick to that without being hurt by someone telling you to learn how the system works, I'm sorry. See axemtitanium's latest post on how it works.

Saying "No to all sorts of RMT" is naive. RMT will exist. Let's accept that and move forward. The next step should be "How do we screw them over?" This system clearly does that. Yet we are all content to just live with the RMT we do have as long as it remains "illegal". That never stopped anyone from buying gil. How can I assume that? RMT exist.

[Duuude007]

The problem of RMT doesn't come from the fact that they allow "cheaters" (careful choice of words here) to get gil. It comes from the fact that

*they bring in massive workforces 24/7 to compete against players for drops and the control of the market in order to maximize their gains

Competing for drops, as in camping profitable targets so as to prevent other people from camping the same targets? As far as I know, Xiv has a workaround in most cases to completely bypass RMT campers as any form of hindrance. Ex: Need Karakul fleece? RMT's use the faction leve at Cedarwood. Need a dungeon drop? They are fully instanced, i.e. no competition.

*the fact that they spam players with their ads.

Havent seen these in over a year to be honest. GMs have been rather good at tamping this down quietly.


Considering the clear absence of these factors, the two methods of earning gil are looking more and more alike:

The points below do not differ between the two:
1. Altering game experience: It allows people with dollars to benefit over those without dollars
2. Inflation: It raises the rate of purchase for rare and highly-sought goods, which raises their demand without altering the supply, causing a rise in prices.

Please, did I miss something? Or do these both appear to be quite similar, with regards to XIV mechanics?

[Kiroh]

Ok, let me explain very clearly why this is a horrible idea.

1.) It does absolutely nothing to support the developers, as some people seem to believe. The amount of these used by players who purchase them is directly proportionate to the about of people who buy them to sell to the people who purchase them. No new revenue is generated for SE, it simply shifts the subscription fees from one player to another. Which leads me into...

2.) It allows for a F2P option in this game. Not only does this open the community up to every 12 year old with internet access, it also encourages (even more than now if humanly possible) greed and competition between players and exploitation of game resources. (If you think RMT are bad, wait until you have 500 other players undercutting everything you try to sell to pay for their subscription.)

3.) It does nothing to stop RMT, absolutely positively nothing. If they can't make money selling game currency and U/U drops are the best gear in the game, you think they'll simply throw up their hands and say "whelp, we can't sell currency anymore, time to leave" instead of, oh I don't know, SELLING THE U/U DROPS maybe? RMT can and will sell anything in any game that players put a value on. If SE removes the value from gil, they'll just switch to selling items and powerleveling. That you believe RMT will somehow magically go away, or even decrease in number, is naive to say the very least. RMT don't care about how they make money, they will find a way to make money.

[GodseijuroHiko]

Competing for drops, as in camping profitable targets so as to prevent other people from camping the same targets? As far as I know, Xiv has a workaround in most cases to completely bypass RMT campers as any form of hindrance. Ex: Need Karakul fleece? RMT's use the faction leve at Cedarwood. Need a dungeon drop? They are fully instanced, i.e. no competition.



Havent seen these in over a year to be honest. GMs have been rather good at tamping this down quietly.


Considering the clear absence of these factors, the two methods of earning gil are looking more and more alike:

The points below do not differ between the two:
1. Altering game experience: It allows people with dollars to benefit over those without dollars
2. Inflation: It raises the rate of purchase for rare and highly-sought goods, which raises their demand without altering the supply, causing a rise in prices.

Please, did I miss something? Or do these both appear to be quite similar, with regards to XIV mechanics?

You are against it and I respect that. At the very least, you're one of the very few who disagree and still present a holistic opinion with full understanding. "RMT BAD" "NO TO TO ALL RMT" makes me sad . Moral high horse is being abused.

[Nuinn]

You were. It's an artificial division. Time is time. I'm not sure why time spent having fun in a game should be considered more meritorious than time spent working.

This is a honest to god question, no shade. . . . Based to your latest reply to me, are you saying that having shorter play-time, but substituting it with longer/equal irl time working, should be one of this systems perks? (Since time flows at the same speed whether you're working or playing, as you've said). Honestly curious if I got it right :/

[Zantetsuken]

Ok, let me explain very clearly why this is a horrible idea.

1.) It does absolutely nothing to support the developers, as some people seem to believe. The amount of these used by players who purchase them is directly proportionate to the about of people who buy them to sell to the people who purchase them. No new revenue is generated for SE, it simply shifts the subscription fees from one player to another. Which leads me into...

2.) It allows for a F2P option in this game. Not only does this open the community up to every 12 year old with internet access[...]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

[Kiroh]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

[Zantetsuken]

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

Yet you admit that the 12 year-old FTP types wouldn't join the game otherwise...

Even if their subs are paid by others, that's a net increase in subscribers.

[Nuru]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

There will be new subscriptions, just not a guaranteed monthly payment towards the game devs. It really is a broken system, even if the items were un-tradable, it would still cause for financial instability as it is not guaranteed that every subscription would be paying every month. With this, you are recycling that item, which generates no revenue at all.

[AhmeraMae]

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

Wow. i really don't know how to reply to your sophisticated opinion.

"You didn't exactly get this, do you? This topic has 20 pages. Read them, then reconsider posting."

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