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    I've read through all the posts and I'm strongly against this.

    Forget about how this affects other games. lets consider how this would affect ffxiv.
    You're proposing to allow a system where people can purchase items with irl money and sell in game for gil. This would allow players to obtain gil without doing any work.

    Dude put it quite nicely. a new player on day one could just buy a shit ton of it and get millions of gil. Highly unfair to pple who have spent weeks levelling their craft nd gathering jobs to get money.

    Also. you tried countering an argument about being able to purchase gear by saying that in ARR, most of the best gear would be untradeable. Well, as almost all meldable gear are tradeable then no, that wont be the case.

    Furthermore buying gear isnt the only way the so called "New rich player" would be able to cheat the game. You could use all the gil you got with irl money to get people to power level you and do a host of other things in exchange for gil.

    It hasnt be so long since the last save so im sure you all wont have forgotten about how so many endgame linkshells on all servers were selling "White raven wins" for exorbitant amounts of gil. That would be an example of how a player who could trade irl money for gil would have an unfair advantage over a dedicated player.
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    Quesse Mithril
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    Quote Originally Posted by debola View Post
    I've read through all the posts and I'm strongly against this.

    Forget about how this affects other games. lets consider how this would affect ffxiv.
    You're proposing to allow a system where people can purchase items with irl money and sell in game for gil. This would allow players to obtain gil without doing any work.

    Dude put it quite nicely. a new player on day one could just buy a shit ton of it and get millions of gil. Highly unfair to pple who have spent weeks levelling their craft nd gathering jobs to get money.

    Also. you tried countering an argument about being able to purchase gear by saying that in ARR, most of the best gear would be untradeable. Well, as almost all meldable gear are tradeable then no, that wont be the case.

    Furthermore buying gear isnt the only way the so called "New rich player" would be able to cheat the game. You could use all the gil you got with irl money to get people to power level you and do a host of other things in exchange for gil.

    It hasnt be so long since the last save so im sure you all wont have forgotten about how so many endgame linkshells on all servers were selling "White raven wins" for exorbitant amounts of gil. That would be an example of how a player who could trade irl money for gil would have an unfair advantage over a dedicated player.
    Agreed. RMT or no RMT, SE does not allow buying gil for RL money. For good reason. This post is like arguing since some people in the USA smoke crack, might as well make it legal so they can get less-expensive clean crack.
    Being able to buy gil period hurts the game, especially for the reasons listed above. I don't want a legitimate way or an illegitimate way to buy gil. Keep it out of FFXIV altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quesse View Post
    Agreed. RMT or no RMT, SE does not allow buying gil for RL money. For good reason. This post is like arguing since some people in the USA smoke crack, might as well make it legal so they can get less-expensive clean crack.
    Being able to buy gil period hurts the game, especially for the reasons listed above. I don't want a legitimate way or an illegitimate way to buy gil. Keep it out of FFXIV altogether.
    People will always buy gil. Accept it. Am I the only one that's accepted that? My biggest annoyance of RMT was never the people that buy gil to get ahead. I hated that RMT spent ALL day at NMs I was trying to get so I never even stood a chance on my ps2. It was borderline depressing. Every time Anti RMT systems are put into place, it screws us over. Can we please refrain from using sanctimony in our arguments? Buying gil is naughy, gotcha. What solutions can WE as a community come up with. Pro tip: Nothing is ever 100% fair. Since I started with my education analogy, I'll continue. In life, *FFXIV isn't RL, got it* we all have the same opportunity (In America anyway, and under decent circumstances) to realize our aspirations if we put in enough work. Even then it sometimes isn't enough. How fair is it to everyone that a person who was born with means, is able to get into Yale because his parents knows people in admissions, or made a donation, when you had to work X3 as hard or more, just to get a scholarship. Or, you got accepted with no way of paying tuition. It isn't, and complaining about it in life is a gigantic waste of emotional time (IMHO).

    Yes, we want our FFXIV time to be completely separate from RL. There are just somethings that will always transfer over into MMO's since the way the game world works is still left in the hands of people. I'm truly interested in hearing a meaningful idea. All I keep seeing is "RMT is bad!" "I don't like RMT, no!" It's like we want FFXIV to be our perfect little world where SE moderates everything, even how expensive people are allowed to price things so supply and demand would vanish. If we had things our way,(assumption INC) some of you would love it if SE made multiple HNMs so we won't have to compete with one another and everyone wins.

    My long winded point? Solutions people. I saw this as a great idea. I'm still waiting to see any other solutions. Any ideas on how to close some of the loop holes in the issues you see with this idea?

    Oh, and people who buy crack don't do it to get ahead in life.
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