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    Hart's Avatar
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    Hart Underpall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.
    No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

    Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

    This is not the same thing as not having enough time to play the game, because...

    • Everyone has paid for the same amount of time every month
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    Abriael Rosen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hart View Post
    No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

    Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR
    The problem with that argument is that that "extra money to spend on a scroll" gets them absolutely nothing that you, me, they or anyone else can't buy with gil earned in game.

    They have no advantage whatsoever. They still spent time to acquire that money. It didn't grow from trees. The market normally balances out in a way that the time spent farming gil and acquiring the money that can be converted in it are pretty much equivalent.

    Ergo there's no unfairness. There's a reason why "pay to win" is applied only to games in which paying provides you with in-game advantages that you can't get in any other way.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-05-2012 at 02:58 PM.

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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hart View Post
    No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

    Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

    This is not the same thing as not having enough time to play the game, because...
    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You make a point, but you don't bring any argument in its favor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You continue not to offer any actual argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You are aware that you're making out statistics out of nothing right?
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    Evidence please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.
    Hart definitely has a point here. You have a clear tendency to discount points as they are challenging your own, and acting as if they never existed when you substitute your own. What was that Strawman definition again?

    Regardless...

    All things being equal, the simplest method tends to be the best method.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 11-05-2012 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Hart definitely has a point here. You have a clear tendency to discount points as they are challenging your own, and acting as if they never existed when you substitute your own. What was that Strawman definition again?
    Nope, I discount points that don't challenge my own at all, but are expressed and repeated like they would.

    IE: "It's unfair!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    All things being equal, the simplest method tends to be the best method.
    There's no simple method to combat RMT, and no simple method to keep subs up.

    This is just a method to help both of those situations, proven effective in other games.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-05-2012 at 03:07 PM.