SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[indira]

You are aware that you're making out statistics out of nothing right?

You say that people "will go the easiest route", but what is the easiest route? It depends on anyone's circumstances. For someone that has a lot of disposable income, the easiest route will be paying for it. For those that don't, the easiest route is obviously grinding gil in the game. For those in the middle, it depends on how much money they have at any given time.

people buy RMT gil or they woulnt exist why bother working for it is the easiest. its still money in the game it didnt magically appear.
RMT sells stuff on MW/AH they get gil then you pay money >> get gil.
this would be the same thing pay money >> get scroll >> sell it get gil.

i thought everyone was rich with tens of millions of gil? what happened? lies maybe? i bet the same people looking for a cheaper way to buy gil is all.

[Abriael]

people buy RMT gil or they woulnt exist why bother working for it is the easiest.

Because it's not nearly the easiest for everyone. Not everyone can afford or is willing to spend money for virtual goods. I, for one, am not.

its still money in the game it didnt magically appear.
RMT sells stuff on MW/AH they get gil then you pay money >> get gil.
this would be the same thing pay money >> get scroll >> sell it get gil.

The problem with RMT is not that they sell money. The problem with RMT is that they 1: Spam 2: compete against players for drops in order to provide currency to ther gold selling firm.

[indira]

Because it's not nearly the easiest for everyone. Not everyone can afford or is willing to spend money for virtual goods.



The problem with RMT is not that they sell money. The problem with RMT is that they 1: Spam 2: compete against players for drops in order to provide currency to ther gold selling firm.

im not on no ones side but its a free market and non-rmt spam chat trying to sell you things /blist add <name> works or cancel out that chat channel.
cant have a economy anyways unless theres something creating limits like a GDP, SE would have to make there own version of the stock market to fix RMT or other BS that want to hit you in the pockets. just setting prices on items is only a auction meaning anything gos.

RMT aint the problem its the community giving them all that money to exist.

[Hart]

Let me simplify it for you.


Fair.
• Everyone makes money in-game
• Everyone has paid for the same amount of time every month
• Everyone has access to crafting jobs
• Everyone has access to leves
• Everyone has access to a DoH job
• Everyone uses the same market system

Unfair.
• Not everyone has the cash to buy gil.


I don't see why the system should have to accommodate you. You're not special because you have an extra 15 dollars to spend.

[Abriael]

Unfair.
• Buying gil with real life cash.

You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.

I don't see why the system should have to accommodate you. You're not special because you have an extra 15 dollars to spend.

You're assuming I would use the system to sell the subs. And that's a big assumption to make.

im not on no ones side but its a free market and non-rmt spam chat trying to sell you things /blist add <name> works or cancel out that chat channel.

RMTs have access to virtually infinite numbers of accounts. Blacklisting them does nothing.

[Hart]

You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.

No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

This is not the same thing as not having enough time to play the game, because...

• Everyone has paid for the same amount of time every month

[Abriael]

No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

The problem with that argument is that that "extra money to spend on a scroll" gets them absolutely nothing that you, me, they or anyone else can't buy with gil earned in game.

They have no advantage whatsoever. They still spent time to acquire that money. It didn't grow from trees. The market normally balances out in a way that the time spent farming gil and acquiring the money that can be converted in it are pretty much equivalent.

Ergo there's no unfairness. There's a reason why "pay to win" is applied only to games in which paying provides you with in-game advantages that you can't get in any other way.

[Duuude007]

No, I've stated the reason why it isn't fair. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Listen closely. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON A SCROLL. That means they are at a DISADVANTAGE. In other words, IT IS NOT FAIR

This is not the same thing as not having enough time to play the game, because...

You make a point, but you don't bring any argument in its favor.

You continue not to offer any actual argument.

You are aware that you're making out statistics out of nothing right?

Evidence please.

You continue to chant that it's unfair, but you still didn't bring a single solid argument on why.

Hart definitely has a point here. You have a clear tendency to discount points as they are challenging your own, and acting as if they never existed when you substitute your own. What was that Strawman definition again?

Regardless...

All things being equal, the simplest method tends to be the best method.

[Abriael]

Hart definitely has a point here. You have a clear tendency to discount points as they are challenging your own, and acting as if they never existed when you substitute your own. What was that Strawman definition again?

Nope, I discount points that don't challenge my own at all, but are expressed and repeated like they would.

IE: "It's unfair!"

All things being equal, the simplest method tends to be the best method.

There's no simple method to combat RMT, and no simple method to keep subs up.

This is just a method to help both of those situations, proven effective in other games.

[WHS]

I make less then 30k a year income period. I can afford the sub fee but barely. I probably won't be in game grinding gil 24/7 either cause I have a job. That being said I don't fit into either model. But, I do understand what it feels like to have time to farm gil but no real money to pay a sub in game. I've seen companies reward people who play with game time in other games. Even though on the outside this seems like rmt concept it's not quite the same as the one introduced in ffxi. I found that rmt model to be so constricting on the economy I hated that game for money reasons alone. In game currency was too damn hard to make. I have no issues with this plan being implemented. It seems so different then me going to a website and buying gil. If you don't go with this model all you do is 1) lose the person who can't pay the sub fee. 2) leave all the elites to play with themselves 3) and still have a shit ton of rmt anyways maybe more cause they can do often control the gil. I've played lotro and wow and both don't seem to have any problems with rmt. Sure their gold is sold but I was able to keep my income up enough I never felt the need to buy any gold. Hell lotro even now is free and when I played it was pay monthly like wow and ffxi and this game. Now the worse rmt is turbine themselves lol. Oh well who the hell cares this won't screw a thing over and you people know it. Just stop bitching.