SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Hart]

rare, highly sought goods, lets see:

Mailbreakers doublebound worth 45 mil.

Full stop negated.

Too bad that we aren't talking about 1.0 here.

There it is folks, classic Abriael. Nice deflection.

You're referencing all these charts and dazzling us with all these figures... Then, I see this.

Surely you don't think the value of doublebound mailbreakers is going to change...? The numbers might decrease from its current amount but the true value remains the same. The price of this sword will be the equivalent of 45 million in 2.0.

But you knew that.

[Abriael]

There it is folks, classic Abriael. Nice deflection.

You're referencing all these charts and dazzling us with all these figures... Then, I see this.

Surely you don't think the value of doublebound mailbreakers is going to change...? The numbers might decrease from its current amount but the true value remains the same. The price of this sword will be the equivalent of 45 million in 2.0.

But you knew that.

More petty attacks.

We have already been told clearly that the most powerful equipment in 2.0 will be untradable, as we have already been told that the current relics will be overshadowed by more powerful (untradable) loot.

So yeah, not only the value of those will change (as value always changes as things become obsolete), but they won't in any way give an advantage to those that get em.

This is classic me all right. Bringing solid arguments you have no way to counter. And from all the petty personal attacks we can see in this thread, it makes you (and a few others) real mad.

[Quesse]

Before lock let me just boil this thread down into a basic summary:

Is it ok to be able to buy gil with real life dollars?

No, it is not.

[Abriael]

Is it ok to be able to buy gil with real life dollars?

No, it is not.

That's not for you to decide. And your lack of arguments doesn't help your point.

Given Yoshida-san's delightfully open minded response, you may be surprised

[Hart]

Not so much mad, as flabbergasted. The way you spin everything is truly an art form.

You talk as if no one strives for anything but the "best" equipment. There will always be pieces of equipment that are comparable to U/U gear because of materia and all of those can be bought. Selling chronoscrolls that are bought with real money to buy any piece of equipment to better your character is pay2win. You're selling the time scrolls, (which you bought with real money) for in-game money. Time scrolls are effectively gil, (if you do not use them yourself, why would you?).

It doesn't matter if the side effect to buying this gil is helpful to someone else, all you're trying to do is cover up the fact that you have bought gil.

[Abriael]

Not so much mad, as flabbergasted. The way you spin everything is truly an art form.

No need for art. Some arguments are just so weak (and born of selfishness) that they're countered effortlessly.

You talk as if no one strives for anything but the "best" equipment. There will always be pieces of equipment that are comparable to U/U gear because of materia and all of those can be bought. Selling chronoscrolls that are bought with real money to buy any piece of equipment to better your character is pay2win. You're selling the time scrolls, (which you bought with real money) for in-game money. Time scrolls are effectively gil, (if you do not use them yourself, why would you?).

It truly does make me smile how some people fossilized on their own dying ideas of MMORPGs (the same ideas that see game after game become free to play after a few months) continue to try and pass that improper definition of pay to win as real.

Too bad that with that definition, every MMORPG, including this one in both its present and future incarnation, is pay to win. But of course none of them tries to counter this point, because they have no way to do it.

As long as paying doesn't offer an advantage that can't be matched with normal play, it's not pay to win. No matter how many times an overly vocal minority screams "PAY TO WIN! PAY TO WIN! PAY TO WIN!".

That's the definition accepted in the industry, and as such the only one that counts.

it doesn't matter if the side effect to buying this gil is helpful to someone else, all you're trying to do is cover up the fact that you have bought gil.

Oh but of course. As long as other people can't have the same things you can in another way, it doesn't matter if it allows people to help each other, benefit, and ultimately keep the game more stable and lively, with a stronger userbase less vulnerable to the coming of newer games.

Yay selfishness. Luckily the market has long recognized that this stance has no longer a future.

[Hart]

Yay selfishness. Luckily the market has long recognized that this stance has no longer a future.

Is it selfish of me to expect someone to earn something through work? If so, yeah. Hell yeah, I'm selfish. If you think you're entitled to something that someone else has to work for, simply because you have more money, you are a blight.

This concept is so absurd that it is comparable with the "Pray to the 12 to keep our special gifts!" thread. You don't deserve anything you don't work for.

[Abriael]

Is it selfish of me to expect someone to earn something through work? [If so, yeah. Hell yeah, I'm selfish. If you think you're entitled to something that someone else has to work for, simply because you have more money, you are a blight.

This concept is so absurd that it is comparable with the "Pray to the 12 to keep our special gifts!" thread. You don't deserve anything you don't work for.

I shall reveal a secret that has been passed down from father to son for generations of gamers. It's just for your ears, so don't tell anyone else than your firstborn son when he comes of age:

This isn't work. It's a game.

[Hart]

This isn't work. It's a game.

If you don't enjoy playing this game, why are you still here? Eventually you're going to have to work towards something, but as devastating as that sounds. You'll live. Not only will you live, you'll enjoy the fruits of your labor, even moreso than if you bought them with your piggybank. I promise.