SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Aenarion]

The chart starts in the month Revelations II expansion was launched the week after Game time codes came out. They work the same way as plexes but were less user friendly.

Eh, GTC existed way before Revelation II. If memory serves me correctly, it's been around since at least Red Moon Rising (which is when I started playing Eve), if not before.

Ah, the days when 90day gtc was still around, and were sold for well under 200mil...

Interesting that the common response in the FFXIV forums about Tera and Eve is no thanks.
Your idea has its place, and it is not here. Just like F2P has its place.

Actually, it does belong here, as the last time I checked this forum is supposed to be a place for people to discuss ideas, or are you saying that only ideas you like can be discussed here?

To create a more effective RMT is what PLEX does. To demote RMT all together by banning those interested in it is a REAL method to lower demand on RMT.

Technically, PLEX is an official pseudo-RMT. Also, good luck with your anti-RMT measure, history has shown time and time again that as long as there's a demand, there will be a market for it. A war on illicit RMT has about as much chance of success as the war on drugs, go ahead, ask the US govt how well that one is going.

On the topic of P2W definitions, it really varies from person to person. There are people who think that it becomes P2W when cash shops with game balance changing items are introduced, and there are also those who believe that the mere ability to dual box constitutes P2W. Ultimately it's more of a subjective classification than anything else.

BTW, still waiting for people to debate this logically, but I'm not gonna hold my breath

[Duuude007]

Rate of currency price drop in the past 6 months for ISK versus Gil:



Versus:

[axemtitanium]

The huge drop in gil price during mid-September was directly caused by the Atomos exploit. For the first time ever, regular players had an easy way to do what RMTs do all the time: increase the amount of gil in circulation. Thus, no one wanted to buy gil anymore and prices dropped. Simple enough explanation.

[axemtitanium]

PLEX =/= Diablo 3's RMAH. The concepts are so different that they probably shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. No one said PLEX was an RMT killer. There's no such thing because (illegal) RMT will always exist for as long as an online game is running. However, PLEX is demonstrably an RMT deterrent which will drastically reduce the prevalence of RMT bots and their impact on the normal, legal, functioning economy. EVE uses PLEX but they also play whack-a-mole just as much as SE does. There's no magic bullet single solution to defeating RMT.

[Shougun]

PLEX =/= Diablo 3's RMAH. The concepts are so different that they probably shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. No one said PLEX was an RMT killer. There's no such thing because (illegal) RMT will always exist for as long as an online game is running. However, PLEX is demonstrably an RMT deterrent which will drastically reduce the prevalence of RMT bots and their impact on the normal, legal, functioning economy. EVE uses PLEX but they also play whack-a-mole just as much as SE does. There's no magic bullet single solution to defeating RMT.

I only brought D3 in to talk about personal experience with equilibrium points. Plex only introduced minor competition - comeptition doesnt drive the market away it just makes prices better for consumers.

RMT will still sell. I'm not sure why it is good to list a pro to the addition of plex as "lowers the cost of buying illegal currency".

It's funny how people continue to try and refute something no one argued. Strawman anyone?

You can't kill RMT. No one argued that you can or that PLEX can. You can just damage it, and in the process reduce its ability to generate currency and inject it into the market (reducing it's inflation effect).

That's what PLEX Does, in addition to helping the game retain subscribers.

All it will do is make RMT become competitive rather then having a monopoly on the market.

Rather then a happy bees-nest you decided to slap it and now have a competitive bees-nest.

[Gokulo]

I only brought D3 in to talk about personal experience with equilibrium points. Plex only introduced minor competition - comeptition doesnt drive the market away it just makes prices better for consumers.

RMT will still sell. I'm not sure why it is good to list a pro to the addition of plex as "lowers the cost of buying illegal currency".

Because there is now way to completely remove RMT from the game. And the proponents of this system did not even argue it can, only some people assumed so.

[Shougun]

Because there is now way to completely remove RMT from the game. And the proponents of this system did not even argue it can, only some people assumed so.

The only real shiny point the system I guess I wrongfully thought it touted was that it hampered RMT.

Otherwise it just makes buying currency easier then ever and lets some people play the game for free if they have time to grind to pay to play.

[Abriael]

All it will do is make RMT become competitive rather then having a monopoly on the market.

Rather then a happy bees-nest you decided to slap it and now have a competitive bees-nest.

An economic system with competition is much less profitable than an economic system dominated by monopoly.

Therefore, the system damages RMT.

Mind you, the PLEX system doesn't even play fair as competition, because it offers security, something that no RMT provider can offer and that has a rather crucial value, considering the effort that goes into a MMORPG character.

When prompted to buy a car with brakes and one with no brakes, most people will buy the one with brakes, no matter the price offered by the manufacturer of the car with no brakes.

The fact that you define it "minor competition", is clear evidence that you really have large problems understanding how economy works in a MMORPG or in any environment, really.

[Shougun]

An economic system with competition is much less profitable than an economic system dominated by monopoly.

Therefore, the system damages RMT.

Mind you, the PLEX system doesn't even play fair as competition, because it offers security, something that no RMT provider can offer and that has a rather crucial value, considering the effort that goes into a MMORPG character.

The fact that you define it "minor competition", is clear evidence that you really have large problems understanding how economy works in a MMORPG or in any environment, really.

Competition takes away their profit sure but that doesn't matter honestly. Their existence hasn't been hampered at all.

The only point at which it would matter is if they no longer existed. Otherwise talking about -their- bottom line is a waste of breath.


And how you pick out particular structures of words and fixate on them is petty. Stop trying to make an argument on syntax and grammar whilst insulting people on those choices.

[Abriael]

And how you pick out particular structures of words and fixate on them is petty. Stop trying to make an argument on syntax and grammar whilst insulting people on those choices.

I'm afraid I have to let you into the secret that telling you that you have problems understanding something (which you do), is not an insult. As much as you'd like to pass it as such to play victim.

Choice of words is very important in discussion, and the fact that you called it "minor" was evidently purposeful in trying to downplay its effect. And telling.

Competition takes away their profit sure but that doesn't matter honestly. Their existence hasn't been hampered at all.

The only point at which it would matter is if they no longer existed. Otherwise talking about -their- bottom line is a waste of breath.

According to your logic, since it's impossible to completely remove RMT, Square Enix and other MMORPG developer should stop fighting RMT altogether, since "It doesn't matter".

Yet, you're completely wrong.

RMT firms are companies. No less, no more. They have employees, thrive on profit and, besides the fact that often engage in illegal activities like identity and credential theft and credit card fraud, they work exactly like any other company.

Cutting their profits means that, if they want to continue being profitable (thing that is indispensible to survive), they need lower their expenses. In order to lower their expenses they need to cut their budget in the game in which their profits are being cut. Since their only relevant expense is paying their employees, they need to cut the number of employees working in that particular game.

Less workforce working on FFXIV -> Less gil generated and injected into the market -> Less inflation.

It's an ironclad equation. So yes, it does matter, a lot.

Mind you, some could easily just decide that it's not worth it to use their employees on FFXIV, as they can simply move them to another game where they have no official competition, and where their profits aren't hampered, effectively removing a few RMT players from the market. There's very little reason to keep people working on a difficult market when you could just use them into an easy one.