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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    We brought this thread to Yoshida's attention and here's what he had to say:
    That's awesome to hear! Thanks a lot for bringing it to Yoshida-san's attention. I really appreciate it Rukkirii.

    Glad to see that they may be considering it for the future. Hopefully they'll look into this over hybrid business models (F2P plus optional sub), that are the most usual alternative but tends to really dilute content for paying players

    So much for "SE will never consider this!".

    Remember people. Good game developers consider *every* option. This doesn't mean they will implement them all, but open mindedness is what distinguishes a good developer from a great one.

    The previous leadership wasn't made of bad developers per se, but they did seem very much close minded, unable to look at the rest of the market. What I always liked about Yoshida is that he has a very attentive eye on the rest on the market (being a MMORPG player himself), and is open minded about taking from it what can help is own ideas.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-07-2012 at 08:29 AM.

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    And it wouldn't have been possible without Abriael making this awesome thread and being completely condescending to everyone that had a differing opinion! Hooray ^_^

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    So much for "SE will never consider this!".
    It's important to consider what is trash or not before you throw it away.

    Cheers.
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    Last edited by A_Hortensia; 11-07-2012 at 09:21 AM. Reason: "condescending"

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Hortensia View Post
    And it wouldn't have been possible without Abriael making this awesome thread and being a complete ass to everyone that had a differing opinion! Hooray ^_^
    I'm afraid that refuting your points doesn't equate to "being a complete ass" to you. As much as you may like people bowing as you pass by and letting you have your way, that's not how it works

    But hey, do go on insulting if it floats your boat. This is the internet, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    We brought this thread to Yoshida's attention and here's what he had to say:
    sweet! thanks Rukkirii.
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    Great, thank you very much, Rukkirii
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokulo View Post
    Great, informative topic. Thanks Abriael and others that some very good posts here.

    At the same time my frustration while reading it was reaching critical levels. I always forget how there's a big part of FF community is it's own kind of breed, allergic to logic and facts. It's like we are in the Dark Ages....

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    Sounds like RMT.

    Also sounds like a way to get too many noob little kids who can't pay for the game in the first place to be playing.
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    I played diablo 3 .. conclusion, this is a bad idea.
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    It wont work exactly as intended - lovely complete harmony and perfect market balancing.

    p2w (pay to win) is annoying - regardless of what people want to say, this idea will introduce that in a legalized way.

    At least with just RMT existing as now the p2w method is not SE approved.

    Supporting RMT only accelerates RMT - Blizzard proved that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medura View Post
    I played diablo 3 .. conclusion, this is a bad idea.
    The two methods have *nothing* in common.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    It wont work exactly as intended - lovely complete harmony and perfect market balancing.
    It worked as intended elsewhere.

    p2w (pay to win) is annoying - regardless of what people want to say, this idea will introduce that in a legalized way.
    Pay to win indicates a situation in which whoever pays can access gameplay options that people that don't pay don't have access to.

    It obviously doesn't apply to this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    The two methods have *nothing* in common.



    It worked as intended elsewhere.



    Pay to win indicates a situation in which whoever pays can access gameplay options that people that don't pay don't have access to.

    It obviously doesn't apply to this case.
    No p2w doesnt mean just that. If you can play the game at 1/10000 the rate you can access all the options but you will not win compared to someone else.

    To "win" you need to pay.

    When you introduce p2w, your own RMT system, you will devalue the currency and thus inflate prices. Anyone who doesnt pay to win will therefore play the game at a slower rate.
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