SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Abriael]

Hardly a personal attack, just pointing out what is readily available information. I don't need ammo anymore, you just said exactly what I wanted to hear.

It's called libel. And it doesn't work in your favor.

You can't take the good without the bad. I'm sorry you feel forced to make money, don't worry, you're not alone, everyone has to work for what they have. I don't care if you flipped burgers for an extra hour this week. Your money outside of XIV doesn't equate to money in game. Maybe if you focused on one game, you might not feel the need to buy gil. Or in an even better scenario (imo) you could go play EVE or Tera full time and abandon XIV all together.

Do go on with your libelous assumptions, as they do nothing else than proving me right. You have absolutely no argument.

I make plenty gil in game to sustain the only two jobs I care about. For all your alleged experience, if you think crafting or gathering are the only two ways to have a good flow of gil, you know nothing about this game.

Those that "focus on one game", normally don't have the slightest idea on how to improve that game and how to help it succeed, because they know nothing of the MMORPG market (as you demonstrated plenty) as a whole.

Your affliction is called "tunnel vision". Luckily enough, I don't suffer from it.

[Elexia]

So, since you have absolutely no solid argument, now you're resorting to personal attacks and assumptions (not that you didn't before, anyway)?

"I'm not rude or confrontational"..continue to deny it all you want, it wasn't a personal attack lol, it's called an observation.

[axemtitanium]

Cui bono

I think instead of actually legitimizing this whole thing, we should look at the people defending it.

Oh look, Abriael has been playing since launch and doesn't have a crafting or gathering job to 50. By reading his lodestone blog, I see that he might have an issue with gil. Also by looking at his start date and his current job levels, I now see where hes coming from when he says

• axemtitanium - No crafting what-so-ever and no gathering job either.
• Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

Makes me wonder, might you three have some extra pocket change you might want to convert to gil? Hmmm...

What the? If you think crafting or gathering is the fastest way to make money in this game, you're dead wrong. I've made 6-18M gil of pure profit in an afternoon of spiritbonding without trying. Unless you have the devil's luck double-melding relics, no crafter can make that kind of money that quickly with just 20 market ward slots. I've also made 5-10M per session farming Garlean mats with the LS. If anything, I'd be one of the people buying PLEX for gil to play this game for free. At any rate, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'd know that I don't think a PLEX-type system is guaranteed to work with XIV. I'm merely suggesting the idea has merit and is worthy of consideration, instead of dismissal outright. Ad hominem attacks don't benefit the debate at all.

I would be in favor of the Flex Pass it it acted as a "Buddy Pass" with a Registration & Delivery System outside of the game world.

If it were an in-game trade-able (for gil) item, I do not see how it would limit RMT. In fact I believe it would encourage more RMT. Here is my reasoning:

I would basically have 3 options to play the game:

1) Pay my monthly fee of $10 or $15 USD.

2) Farm enough gil in-game to buy a Flex Pass: Price unknown but let's say 150,000 gil (could be 1-2 mil though)

3) Pay an RMT $10.00 USD for 1 mil gil, buy Flex Pass for 150,000 and still have 850,000 gil left over.
3a) or Pay RMT $5.00 USD for 500,000 gil and still have 350,000 gil left over.

Now if the Flex Passes start selling for 1-2 mil gil, yes the RMT's would have to work harder for less profit but they would adjust and everyone going for option 2 (farming gil) would suffer from inflation.

Bottom line for me though is this: I just don't like the idea of Purchasing In-Game money with IRL Money (which is what "sellers" of the Flex Pass would be doing) and is why I stay away from supposed "Free-to-Play" games and "Cash Shop" games and I would stay away from FFXIV if it takes that route also.

I'm sorry if "I don't like it" is not a good enough reason for anyone else but it's good enough for me.

No real life situation would ever result in this scenario. You can't make up numbers for this because that's never how it would work in real life. Players who purchase PLEX to sell for in-game currency will ALWAYS undercut the RMT in order to get their PLEX sold, forcing RMT to continuously lower their prices to stay competitive. At a certain point, RMT stops being (reasonably) profitable in this game, compared to a different MMO without this system so they'll jump ship to another game. Also, consider this: why would you ever buy gil from an RMT with the risk of getting your account banned if you can purchase it legally at a better rate? The choice is a no-brainer.

[Denmo]

I can't say I'm for or against it, because I haven't played TERA or EVE, and I don't know how similiar/different they are to 2.0. If such a system would benefit the game without hurting new players, then I'd be all for it.

But TBH, I don't want to see my Final Fantasy turn into some kind of capitalistic corporate market, where the largest Free Companies are the ones that are headed by Mr. Rich Guy A and Mr. Rich Guy B, who operate on the idea of turning a profit from the game. Just doesn't sound very... Final Fantasy, y'know?

[Nuru]

But TBH, I don't want to see my Final Fantasy turn into some kind of capitalistic corporate market, where the largest Free Companies are the ones that are headed by Mr. Rich Guy A and Mr. Rich Guy B, who operate on the idea of turning a profit from the game. Just doesn't sound very... Final Fantasy, y'know?

That's another thing. In a way, this game will be more like a pay-to-win. Just not the same pay model, but definitely can work in a similar fashion.

[debola]

That's another thing. In a way, this game will be more like a pay-to-win. Just not the same pay model, but definitely can work in a similar fashion.

Thank you, thank you. what ive been saying all along.

[Headseed]

I have played since launch have many crafts to 50 a gathering to 50 and all battle classes to 50 and I fully support this system. Don't pick and choose facts to make an argument it does nobody any good

[A_Hortensia]

Even if he had an argument, it wouldn't matter:

That's not for you to decide. It's SE's position to decide.

This isn't a thread for discussion. Replies are only here to bump the thread.

I'm against this idea. I said why and I gave my reasons. Guess that's it.

1) Money, items, or any other entity which exists outside the game should not influence, effect, or hold value to any aspect, item, or currency that exists within the game.

2) FFXIV should not be free to play for anyone. Even if the money is coming from somewhere/someone else.

By playing and subscribing to the game service, you should be proud with your decision to enjoy this high caliber product, while supporting the hard-working high caliber staff and company. Your own money should speak for you, not somebody else's. Be part of the community and let everyone be equals as customers.

[Alhanelem]

Blizzard tried to stop RMT with the real money auction house. It didn't work. RMT still thrive by trading under the table so Blizzard doesn't collect transaction fees.

I really don't like the idea of trading game time for items.

[Abriael]

Blizzard tried to stop RMT with the real money auction house. It didn't work. RMT still thrive by trading under the table so Blizzard doesn't collect transaction fees.

I really don't like the idea of trading game time for items.

It's a completely different feature. It really has nothing to do with it.

Apples aren't oranges, yanno.