SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[A_Hortensia]

Nuru: What you posted was accurate except for the fact that SE is going to make money. It just won't be your money. It'll be someone else's money. Someone else will buy the subscription, and sell that subscription to you for gil. Technically, SE is going to be making the same amount of money regardless, except the person who spent the USD is getting extra in-game gil out of the whole deal. Kind of/sort of makes you and and guy you bought the item from RMT in the sense that you just spent gil on USD, and they just spent USD on gil.

Hopefully that's clear.

This idea would seem great when the game has aged enough and subs were decreasing, but as a new game, I'm sure SE wouldn't want to take the risk of this payment system.

I agree with this big time. There's no reason for them to change how they do things, when their current model made them a huge amount of success from FFXI. I'm certain they want to replicate that model and success with FFXIV.

And then my personal beliefs, which I don't want to be contested.. I'm just sharing:

FFXIV should not be free to play for anyone. Even if the money is coming from somewhere/someone else.

By playing and subscribing to the game service, you should be proud with your decision to enjoy this high caliber product, while supporting the hard-working high caliber staff and company. Your own money should speak for you, not somebody else's. Be part of the community and let everyone be equals as customers.

This debate is a bit one sided.
they call you a jerk,

It seemed like you being being a jerk, and it has nothing to do with the debate.
I just wanted to call you out if you were intentionally trying to be a jerk. Not insulting you~
Please forgive me. ._.

[GodseijuroHiko]

Nuru: What you posted was accurate except for the fact that SE is going to make money. It just won't be your money. It'll be someone else's money. Someone else will buy the subscription, and sell that subscription to you for gil. Technically, SE is going to be making the same amount of money regardless, except the person who spent the USD is getting extra in-game gil out of the whole deal. Kind of/sort of makes you and and guy you bought the item from RMT in the sense that you just spent gil on USD, and they just spent USD on gil.

Hopefully that's clear.



I agree with this big time. There's no reason for them to change how they do things, when their current model made them a huge amount of success from FFXI. I'm certain they want to replicate that model and success with FFXIV.

And then my personal beliefs, which I don't want to be contested.. I'm just sharing:

FFXIV should not be free to play for anyone. Even if the money is coming from somewhere/someone else.

By playing and subscribing to the game service, you should be proud with your decision to enjoy this high caliber product, while supporting the hard-working high caliber staff and company. Your own money should speak for you, not somebody else's. Be part of the community and let everyone be equals as customers.

I agree with that also that it isn't something that is needed anytime soon.

I made a post earlier about people being elitist about FFXIV, or keeping it "pure."
We don't want poor people, or 12 year olds or rich people who have extra cash to burn to get ahead. Not contesting what you believe in. Just commenting on the trends of the posts before yours.

[GodseijuroHiko]

Nuru: What you posted was accurate except for the fact that SE is going to make money. It just won't be your money. It'll be someone else's money. Someone else will buy the subscription, and sell that subscription to you for gil. Technically, SE is going to be making the same amount of money regardless, except the person who spent the USD is getting extra in-game gil out of the whole deal. Kind of/sort of makes you and and guy you bought the item from RMT in the sense that you just spent gil on USD, and they just spent USD on gil.

Hopefully that's clear.



I agree with this big time. There's no reason for them to change how they do things, when their current model made them a huge amount of success from FFXI. I'm certain they want to replicate that model and success with FFXIV.

And then my personal beliefs, which I don't want to be contested.. I'm just sharing:

FFXIV should not be free to play for anyone. Even if the money is coming from somewhere/someone else.

By playing and subscribing to the game service, you should be proud with your decision to enjoy this high caliber product, while supporting the hard-working high caliber staff and company. Your own money should speak for you, not somebody else's. Be part of the community and let everyone be equals as customers.



It seemed like you being being a jerk, and it has nothing to do with the debate.
I just wanted to call you out if you were intentionally trying to be a jerk. Not insulting you~
Please forgive me. ._.

I forgive you. No harm done. I have no patience for fake people. They asked questions with no real intent on accepting an answer while placing fake emotes. I may be a bit curt and forward but I never insulted anyone. They don't understand even thought there have been Wall o' texts explaining. You also might have missed their previous question. "which one are you? the gil buyer? or the gil buyer supporter? It added nothing at all to the discussion except to put the poster "ON THE SPOT." Don't buy into their game.

[Kiroh]

Wow the mental gymnastics I see trying to defend this system are astounding and idiotic...

If anyone here thinks this will harm RMT, you clearly have not checked any RMT sites or played any other MMOs in the history of ever.

RMT do not make money because they sell currency, THEY MAKE MONEY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR ITEMS IN THE GAME THAT HAVE VALUE TO THE PLAYERS.

[Psion]

Wow the mental gymnastics I see trying to defend this system are astounding and idiotic...

If anyone here thinks this will harm RMT, you clearly have not checked any RMT sites or played any other MMOs in the history of ever.

RMT do not make money because they sell currency, THEY MAKE MONEY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR ITEMS IN THE GAME THAT HAVE VALUE TO THE PLAYERS.

And this is exactly why a PLEX system would harm RMT. Suddenly, players that would buy gil from RMTers have a new, safe option to make gil, and buy that instead, causing RMTers to lose revinue. Not only that, because the scrolls are influenced by the market, undercutting (and by the gods does FFXIV market have a lot of undercutters) would ensure that profits go down further for RMTers. This is because it assigns a market established worth to gil, and they'd have to compete with the entire player base to stay in buisness. That is, they'd have to sell their gil for less RL money than what it's worth on the market, because why buy gil from third parties that could get your account banned when you could sell it on the market legit instead?

This system is, yes, a type of RMT. However, in this case, the trade is only one way: players can only get gil for RL cash, and even then the gil isn't being created. Instead, it's causing players with lots of gil to send it to players with little gil, and boosting the market from increased cash flow. (And as others have pointed out, due to market taxes, it actually takes gil out of the economy!) This system, in essence, is an anti 3rd-party RMT measure, which is what i think most people can agree is the bane of FFXIV. No one likes having Adasdasd and Ddsfsad hogging all the wild boar spots for skins 24/7 and taking away legit players methods of making gil. No one likes Ffdsfsd's party using hacks to claim all the NMs with worthwhile drops. Seeing Sdadfaf and company doing leves all day at cedarwood gets annoying as hell.

This system reduces all of that. It may not eliminate it entirely, but it sure does put a dent in those people's profits, and that is something i think we can all agree on as a good thing. As an added bonus, players that normally couldn't play due to RL circumstances are now able to have a new option to keep enjoying the game with friends. I might even be one of those players paying gil for a subscription myself, if it was affordable enough. As a college student without a job, it's pretty hard for me to make money, so i wind up doing odd jobs to pay for FFXIV. Having a backup option for paying my subscription would mean that if for some reason i can't get any money, then i can still keep playing with my friends. If that means some player with more cash flow IRL gets to benefit by buying stuff he needs in the game that he really doesn't have time for (because you know, some people work 40-80 hours a week, and people with high paying jobs tend to be on the higher end hours worked per week), then that's all for the better.

[Nuinn]

No? Ok, I suppose silence is an answer in its own right as well. Thank you, goodbye~

[GodseijuroHiko]

I think 150k is fair. If we calculate that into 1.0. (which is something I will be doing for ALL my 2.0 purposes because I'm cheap!) that's 1.5 mil. 1.5 mil a month could be the same as 15 bucks. $1=100k seems ok.

[Kiroh]

SE, please implement this so I can laugh at every idiot who believes they have the solution for RMT and know better than you do after having combated RMT yourselves for over a decade. Thank you.

[Abriael]

SE, please implement this so I can laugh at every idiot who believes they have the solution for RMT and know better than you do after having combated RMT yourselves for over a decade. Thank you.

Translation of the above: "My arguments have been demolished, I don't know how to argue further. Therefore, I will insult my opposition."

[Kiroh]

Translation of the above: "My arguments have been demolished, I don't know how to argue further. Therefore, I will insult my opposition."

Nope, I really hope they do so that people who create threads suggesting they add something just to have an argument rather than caring a single bit about whether it's added or not can whine and cry when they do add it because they don't do it the way you wanted them to, which was actually not at all. My argument is perfectly valid, you just choose to ignore it because you don't like it.

That you think this will in any way change or get rid of RMT shows how little you understand why and how they make money. RMT don't care whether making money is easy or not, and they will continue to exist whether or not this system is added.