SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[A_Hortensia]

RMT will exsist with or without the proposed system.

This system would in fact support the developers of XIV/XI

The "unfairness" can be relatively minimized with supply/demand and proper control of gil creation. (As someone said earlier, Yoshi wants the best gear in the game to be U/U)

1) I don't care as much about current RMT. SquareEnix will handle them.

2) I understand that someone is going to wind up paying for all the subscriptions somehow, and that it's all going to SE. My point is, you should only be able to play FFXIV if you are paying for it yourself. I imagine there's a lot of important information that SE needs to keep track of as fair as the amount of people that are actually subscribing. They would eventually lose track of who thinks the content is worth paying for and who is only playing because they can use in-game means to continue playing.

3) Or, the unfairness could not exist at all. In-game currency should only hold value within the game itself.

1) That's not for you to decide. It's SE's position to decide. Real world elements ALREADY influence the game. If you have more free time than someone else in your real life, you can play more, earning more advantages in the game.

2) And in fact with this system they still do, even if indiractly. Person that pays with gil supports person that pays with money that supports SE. It's a very simple equati
Ergo, this argument is invalid.

3) No, it's not an argument at all. It's just an unproven and unsubstantiated statement.

1) Okay. SE has already decided this; and I support their 10 year old position. I do not support a change in their tone. Also, available play-time or the amount someone plays doesn't really have much to do with the subject. (Although I guess I kind of see what you're trying to say.)
I'm talking about anything monetary/material that exists outside of the game should not effect anything monetary/material that exists inside the game.

2) See my 2nd point from above in response to Shiven.

3) Anything that I can do outside of playing the game, that benefits me within the game: That is unfair. Also, logic. Everyone should play the game. I shouldn't be able to get benefits in-game just because I'm rich as hell. Arista doesn't deserve gil just because I can throw down a couple hundred on in-game subscription items. Arista didn't do shit. Haha.

[strallaalaa]

i'd say no to this, it's still selling gils in game and buying it from SE or rmt sucks, if not got real time to farm maybe should look into playing other games rather then mmo's. but i do like the idea of playing for free since i always end up with more gold/gil in any mmo that i really need and would love to just buy time with it. if they can add this feature without turning it into something for people to buy gil with too i'd be happy lol. no matter what though this is better then cash shops but i wouldn't be playing this game if it had a cash shop no matter how much i love final fantasy series.

tldr, gil selling in mmo's ...no thanks ..play for free with invested time and gil ..yes please, but i don't think possible to have one without the other lol.

[Zantetsuken]

Funny thing - (All things being equal) - if *Crysta* is sold in the Wards, it would actually result in a gil sink for the game with the fees removed per transaction.

This is a fantastic answer to those who want a FTP game, and a way to put a serious damper on the RMT influence in the game.

The value of gil-to-*crysta* would be balanced out by market forces AND it would serve as a balancing apparatus FOR the markets as well in the long term.

And the best part, it all goes to subscription fees which means a better game for the rest of us.



Sadly, there are a lot of people here who have no idea what they are opposing.

[Kiroh]

Ok, let me explain very clearly why this is a horrible idea.

1.) It does absolutely nothing to support the developers, as some people seem to believe. The amount of these used by players who purchase them is directly proportionate to the about of people who buy them to sell to the people who purchase them. No new revenue is generated for SE, it simply shifts the subscription fees from one player to another. Which leads me into...

2.) It allows for a F2P option in this game. Not only does this open the community up to every 12 year old with internet access, it also encourages (even more than now if humanly possible) greed and competition between players and exploitation of game resources. (If you think RMT are bad, wait until you have 500 other players undercutting everything you try to sell to pay for their subscription.)

3.) It does nothing to stop RMT, absolutely positively nothing. If they can't make money selling game currency and U/U drops are the best gear in the game, you think they'll simply throw up their hands and say "whelp, we can't sell currency anymore, time to leave" instead of, oh I don't know, SELLING THE U/U DROPS maybe? RMT can and will sell anything in any game that players put a value on. If SE removes the value from gil, they'll just switch to selling items and powerleveling. That you believe RMT will somehow magically go away, or even decrease in number, is naive to say the very least. RMT don't care about how they make money, they will find a way to make money.

[Zantetsuken]

Ok, let me explain very clearly why this is a horrible idea.

1.) It does absolutely nothing to support the developers, as some people seem to believe. The amount of these used by players who purchase them is directly proportionate to the about of people who buy them to sell to the people who purchase them. No new revenue is generated for SE, it simply shifts the subscription fees from one player to another. Which leads me into...

2.) It allows for a F2P option in this game. Not only does this open the community up to every 12 year old with internet access[...]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

[Kiroh]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

[Zantetsuken]

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

Yet you admit that the 12 year-old FTP types wouldn't join the game otherwise...

Even if their subs are paid by others, that's a net increase in subscribers.

[Kiroh]

Yet you admit that the FTP types wouldn't join the game otherwise...

Take it however you want, what I said was there is no ADDITIONAL benefit to the developers other than the fees they would have normally collected for the accounts. Which is what some people have claimed.

[AhmeraMae]

I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.

Wow. i really don't know how to reply to your sophisticated opinion.

"You didn't exactly get this, do you? This topic has 20 pages. Read them, then reconsider posting."

Also: m(

[Nuru]

Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??

There will be new subscriptions, just not a guaranteed monthly payment towards the game devs. It really is a broken system, even if the items were un-tradable, it would still cause for financial instability as it is not guaranteed that every subscription would be paying every month. With this, you are recycling that item, which generates no revenue at all.