SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[axemtitanium]

No. It allows people with dollars to benefit people without dollars. They can pay the game for them.

It does not. No gil is created. While one player's purchase power is increased, the other player is decreased. The total result is exactly the same.

This is a really good point that people sometimes miss. When Player A buys a PLEX item for real money, he earns a certain amount of in-game money for its sale. The sold item goes to Player B who wants to play for free. This earned money is then presumably used to buy items from Player C who produces items and earns a handy profit. Even if you're not a person who personally buys PLEX to sell, you still benefit from others who do since you'll be getting their gil when they buy your stuff. And again, gil is neither created nor destroyed in this process.

[Charismatic]

RMT will exist either way you slice it. May as well let it be controlled RMT.

[Elexia]

RMT will exist either way you slice it. May as well let it be controlled RMT.

This + Tera is all but dead in half of it's supported regions anyway. If you want to play, just pay for a sub. If you have little to not time to play and still want to play..pay for a sub. XIV doesn't have the luxury to pussyfoot with systems like this when they have much bigger hurdles to overcome: Like getting people to play and stay.

And people didn't join when it was F2P and you could get CE's, let alone standard games for under $10.

[Abriael]

This + Tera is all but dead in half of it's supported regions anyway.

TERA is dead in europe because frogster handled it terribly. It has nothing to do with Chronoscrolls, even just because, as a matter of simple fact, chronoscrolls are only available on US tera, which is alive and well. They're not available in Europe at all.

If you want to play, just pay for a sub. If you have little to not time to play and still want to play..pay for a sub. XIV doesn't have the luxury to pussyfoot with systems like this when they have much bigger hurdles to overcome: Like getting people to play and stay.

Guess what? Helping to get people to play and stay is exactly the primary purpose and effect of this system.

Don't make that assumption cos thats not were i was going. I just think any system which allows the use of irl money to interfere with the game is bad. period. I personally like it the way it is, the rmt's we currently have are annoying but we're used to em.

Personal taste is a tad weak as an economy-related argument. Telling that something is "bad" or "unfair" doesn't make it so.

[debola]

TERA is dead in europe because frogster handled it terribly. It has nothing to do with Chronoscrolls, even just because, as a matter of simple fact, chronoscrolls are only available on US tera, which is alive and well. They're not available in Europe at all.



Guess what? Helping to get people to play and stay is exactly the primary purpose and effect of this system.



Personal taste is a tad weak as an economy-related argument. Telling that something is "bad" or "unfair" doesn't make it so.

Like i said in about two posts, the reason why i'm against this isn't economical related. If you read my first post, you'll clearly see my reason.

Another reason why i disagree is that this system would devalue hard to get in-game items, by allowing people who dont put the effort in to be able to get them.

I like using in-game examples so here's another.

The luminary achievement items.
When I'm walking down uldah and i see someone crafting with a luminary item, at first i go like "whoa"

But then i go
"pffft.. 50% chance its some botter who cheated his way into it."

but

WHen I'm mining at halatali and i see someone walk by with a luminary gathering tool (which you can't bot for), I'm like

" /bow "

Point being. Introducing or allowing systems that could ruin the even playing field of everyones chances at getting things they want shouldn't be allowed.

[debola]

Agreed. RMT or no RMT, SE does not allow buying gil for RL money. For good reason. This post is like arguing since some people in the USA smoke crack, might as well make it legal so they can get less-expensive clean crack.
Being able to buy gil period hurts the game, especially for the reasons listed above. I don't want a legitimate way or an illegitimate way to buy gil. Keep it out of FFXIV altogether.

RMT will exist either way you slice it. May as well let it be controlled RMT.

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[Elexia]

Hell, GW2 is making a killing on sanctioned RMT, especially because they know most people will want the easy(ier) way out instead of grinding. Like for the commander book, on some days you can spend more money than you would on other stuff, like dinner, bills etc.

[Charismatic]

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I would actually argue that people should be able to get less-expensive clean crack (so long as it is used responsibly and in private) but that is a topic to be discussed elsewhere.

[Applesnap]

I'll stand on the side of those saying confidently, "No thanks. We don't want this in FFXIV."

It may work well for other games, but it won't work well in FFXIV for many reasons. One is, SE need the funds from the subscriptions at the game's launch to float happily and be able to pay costs. After such a terrible start with v1, I don't know how anyone can not realise the significant importance of this fact. They lost a lot of money and need to recoup costs, get subscription numbers up and drum up interest for new players. You might argue they'd get the funds eventually, but until all the transactions are sorted out ... the money technically doesn't exist. "Free" subscription fees certainly don't help here either.

After seeing the debacle with Atomos gil-hoarding and selling what is effectively a win on certain fights (Garuda, Rivenroad - Hard), I have no desire to see these people earn even more gil and certainly not real-life money. Was a guy in a social ls I was part of. Bragged about having over 90m gil from Atomos event alone, his attitude became very ignorant and egotistic against those who had less money. He would throw gil at materia, getting people to do things in-game for him, paying for NM kills; basically making himself better geared than others. I have absolutely no desire to see this type of behaviour become even more common. You've all seen how an over-saturation of gil raises prices in general, because sellers start to get greedy and the rich are too rich to care.

It also costs money to design and introduce a system like this, and right now, SE most likely have neither the resources or the desire to introduce it. Let's not try and overcomplicate things. Some of us won't be convinced however much others think it works in other games, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Aenarion]

It may work well for other games, but it won't work well in FFXIV for many reasons. One is, SE need the funds from the subscriptions at the game's launch to float happily and be able to pay costs. After such a terrible start with v1, I don't know how anyone can not realise the significant importance of this fact. They lost a lot of money and need to recoup costs, get subscription numbers up and drum up interest for new players. You might argue they'd get the funds eventually, but until all the transactions are sorted out ... the money technically doesn't exist. "Free" subscription fees certainly don't help here either.

Huh? you're not making sense here. The PLEX system does not REPLACE subs, it exists in tandem WITH subs. PLEX doesn't create "free" subscriptions that the devs have to deal with, it is actually exactly the reverse - the PLEX system gives the dev money for subscriptions that doesn't even exist yet, as a PLEX is in effect a promissory note guaranteeing future service.

This right here tells me you actually have no idea how the system functions even on a basic level.

After seeing the debacle with Atomos gil-hoarding and selling what is effectively a win on certain fights (Garuda, Rivenroad - Hard), I have no desire to see these people earn even more gil and certainly not real-life money.

Huh? The PLEX system does NOT allow conversion of gil into RL money, so how will those players earn RL money through the PLEX system?

Oh right, they can't

Again, you show a complete lack of understanding of the system.

You've all seen how an over-saturation of gil raises prices in general, because sellers start to get greedy and the rich are too rich to care.

Except a PLEX system doesn't saturate gil, as it doesn't create a single gil - yes, the PLEX system injects less currency into the in-game economy than if you go out and killed a lv.10 human mob.

I'd drop the line about you having no clue about the system here, but it's starting to get repetitive.

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Of course, except one side has logical reasoning, while the other side is doing nothing more than "LALALALALA I can't hear you lolololol"

Not saying FF14 will or even should use the PLEX system, but if you're going to debate the issue, at least understand what you're debating against.