CG Midlander

[Skies]

It's been a *long* time since I've watched all my city quests, but if I'm remembering right Thancred was investigating both the Thaumturge's magics and the situation revolved around someones death (which eventually tied back into discovering Ifrit, I believe?)

Thancred was actually investigating the Thaumaturge's ability to bring a dead person back to life, actually.
There was one artifact in particular, a dagger (or more precisely, the gem in the dagger's hilt) that could give a Thaumaturge sufficient power to revert death.

Also he was looking over the death of an Ala'mighan that apparently had top-secret intel from Garlemald, but was killed by a goobue during a parade, something that we later discover has been purposefully orchestrated.

If memory serves me well... The crystal on the dagger was lost in the thaumaturge's guild. At some point during an Echo you see the dagger fall, the gem fall off and roll into one of the many cracks and vanish from the screen and then Thancred proclaims the gem lost.

[Raldo]

Random aside, since you guys were talking about Urianger and such...

Why does the Faded Page item description say there are 12 archons, when we only meet a few?

A slip of paper covered with arcane symbols and queer handwriting. Used by imperial operatives to identify the handwriting of the Twelve Archons.

[Anonymoose]

Why does the Faded Page item description say there are 12 archons, when we only meet a few?

I assume there's just one for each of The Twelve and that some are otherwise occupied.

It would seem that the Archons are somehow timeless (even if they don't act like they are), which speaks to time travel, as the Echo only hops into memories, which requires living people and limits your jump radius. If this is true, you only have the same archon for each god forever.

We know that Rhalgr's archon joined the enemy it was sent to combat. Maybe the others are otherwise indisposed due to business and/or treachery.

[Catapult]

Forgive me for back-tracking a little, but annother thought came to mind.

What if the paragon, whom revealed to the tribes how they may summon their primal, was not of our beloved archons, but instead the missing antecedent of the Path of the Twelve? Minfilla introduces herself as acting antecedent, which suggests the true leader is on an extended absence and she is fulfilling his/her duties in the interim. This would be reflected in her less-than-adept mastery of the echo (she cannot communicate with the sylphs). She also speaks of allying with the beast tribes if ever forced to take sides, which may be representative of the real antecedent's approach.

[Anonymoose]

Forgive me for back-tracking a little, but annother thought came to mind.

What if the paragon, whom revealed to the tribes how they may summon their primal, was not of our beloved archons, but instead the missing antecedent of the Path of the Twelve? Minfilla introduces herself as acting antecedent, which suggests the true leader is on an extended absence and she is fulfilling his/her duties in the interim. This would be reflected in her less-than-adept mastery of the echo (she cannot communicate with the sylphs). She also speaks of allying with the beast tribes if ever forced to take sides, which may be representative of the real antecedent's approach.

That's not a bad thought... it could also be our ROGUE archon, Ahldbhar, who took up with the sorcerers.

For some reason, in my head, I keep imagining that it was Urianger.


EDIT The paragons are only mentioned in two successive quests - you attempt to hunt one down as they meet with the Amal'jaa, but no dice. What we do know is that the Paragons are described in the exact same words as the Archons ... except instead of leading us to the light of the twelve, they lead us to the light of the primals.

[Catapult]

Of course, if the primals are themselves the twelve, that would put a whole extra spin on things. :P

[Anonymoose]

Of course, if the primals are themselves the twelve, that would put a whole extra spin on things. :P

Just for fun, lets see how the lore lines up on that one

Would Ifrit be Azeyma (The Warden; Goddess of Inquiry; a noblewoman goddess with a golden fan worshipped by Miqo'te) OR Nald'thal (The Traders; twins with dominion over the world of the living and the world of the dead with responsibility over trade)?

Would Garuda be Llymlean (Goddess of navigation and fishing, patron of Limsa Lominsa with dominion over the seas) OR Oschon (The Wanderer, God of mountains and vagrants, a carefree ranger with a bow of yew)?

I dunno if even I can find justifications for this one ><

[Catapult]

Just for fun, lets see how the lore lines up on that one

Would Ifrit be Azeyma (The Warden; Goddess of Inquiry; a noblewoman goddess with a golden fan worshipped by Miqo'te) OR Nald'thal (The Traders; twins with dominion over the world of the living and the world of the dead with responsibility over trade)?

Would Garuda be Llymlean (Goddess of navigation and fishing, patron of Limsa Lominsa with dominion over the seas) OR Oschon (The Wanderer, God of mountains and vagrants, a carefree ranger with a bow of yew)?

I dunno if even I can find justifications for this one ><

I can see Garuda fitting in to either role at a stretch, but you definitely have a point with Ifrit.

[Anonymoose]

I can see Garuda fitting in to either role at a stretch, but you definitely have a point with Ifrit.

That's really funny, actually, I was thinking I could almost justify Ifrit but had nothin' on Garuda!

One thing I keep trying to remind myself is that under Tanaka, the Astral (Fire, Lightning, Wind) and Umbral (Earth, Ice, Water) polarities were extremely important. I thought maybe the Archons would be the six astral deities and the Paragons would be the six umbral, or perhaps six of the twelve were gods and six were primals...

You know, as above so below... but I've yet to come across much in the lore suggesting this.

[Zenaku]

I mean it said that two gods made leviathan to fill the world with water. So with that is it not save to say that they made the other primal to give life to the world? Ifrit for fire Garuda for Wind. Ramuh to give lightning to the world and shiva to give ice to the world. Seeing how each era in the game brought something to the world i remember reading that they was a time that the world was full of Ice. There 6 elements in the world of FFXIV and so far the primal that we going to fight are part of the element they also been 6 era in our world.

Now with the Seventh Umbral Era this brings strong powerful primal and monsters to the world. Odin could be a primal of his own we also going to see king behemoth which may just be a powerful monster in the game.

The information of the gods making leviathan could just be a story told by the people of eorzea and it may not be true in that world. But if it is then i guess it make sense how we going to see titan,ramuh and leviathan some point in 2.0. Also it make sense on primal being made by the gods seeing how there 2 of each element they could have made Demigod which are the primal of eorzea.