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[Anonymoose]

Yeah, either Yoshida-san misspoke (doubtful due to the wording), the original author elaborated more than they were supposed to and (as I mentioned as to why we won't be accepting our theories as truth) had a small house of cards going that can't handle the new explicit lore, or there was a slight retcon of what Midgardsormr was.

Either way, it at least solves a big issue for me - if he's not a primal, we don't need to know why his dead husk is still there instead of going back to aether.

[Zenaku]

Yeah, either Yoshida-san misspoke (doubtful due to the wording), the original author elaborated more than they were supposed to and (as I mentioned as to why we won't be accepting our theories as truth) had a small house of cards going that can't handle the new explicit lore, or there was a slight retcon of what Midgardsormr was.

Either way, it at least solves a big issue for me - if he's not a primal, we don't need to know why his dead husk is still there instead of going back to aether.

Seeing how this is a final fantasy game midgardsormr can come back to life at somepoint seeing how is body is still there with skin and everything and not just shit load of bones lol.

[NoloeTazier]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Umbral_Era

So reading up on info provided from this link.

Information on periods prior to the Fifth Umbral Era is hard to come by, and little is known about the other eras beyond their elemental alignments and the destruction of the Allagan civilization on the Fourth Umbral Era.

The Fourth Umbral Era of Earth - Destroyed the Allagan civilization.

So we can assume the Allgans were destroyed by something dealing with the Earth and not by Bahamut. All that power to seal Bahamut and they lose to an earthquake

[Zenaku]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Umbral_Era

So reading up on info provided from this link.


So we can assume the Allgans were destroyed by something dealing with the Earth and not by Bahamut. All that power to seal Bahamut and they lose to an earthquake

Bahamut was still a power elder primal of it's time sure titan may have been there during that time but titan is noting when it come to bahamut. Remember that it took life energy from the earth to make dalamud and seal away bahamut. They could have been left defenseless once that done that with no more energy to use they would have die by any attack. Sometime the smartest civilization die by the most dumbest thing.

That my take on that

[NoloeTazier]

Bahamut was still a power elder primal of it's time sure titan may have been there during that time but titan is noting when it come to bahamut. Remember that it took life energy from the earth to make dalamud and seal away bahamut. They could have been left defenseless once that done that with no more energy to use they would have die by any attack. Sometime the smartest civilization die by the most dumbest thing.

That my take on that

We don't know if that is how the Allgans sealed Bahamut. They were far more advanced than the Garleans today, so we can't say 100% that they used the land's aether and sealed Bahamut the same way Louisoix tried. I never said Titan had anything to do with it, it just merely states the Allgan Empire was destroyed in The Fourth Umbral Era. But we can assume it was destroyed because of said Earth event. But yeah if they sealed Bahamut, they could have been left defenseless after. I would theorize they were left with no other option but to seal Bahamut, you'd think he wouldn't just appear randomly and the Allgans go "oh we should seal that before it does harm," so I'd say they were probably at war with Bahamut (maybe the Dravnians as well) and they could not defeat it so they had to seal him away. If they did use a sealing technique similar to what Louisoix tried, maybe they drained too much aether from the land and caused earthquakes and or the land to literally collapse under their people. So the Earth events they caused (maybe Archons had a hand in it as well?) brought on the Fourth Umbral Age.

[Zenaku]

We don't know if that is how the Allgans sealed Bahamut. They were far more advanced than the Garleans today, so we can't say 100% that they used the land's aether and sealed Bahamut the same way Louisoix tried. I never said Titan had anything to do with it, it just merely states the Allgan Empire was destroyed in The Fourth Umbral Era. But we can assume it was destroyed because of said Earth event. But yeah if they sealed Bahamut, they could have been left defenseless after. I would theorize they were left with no other option but to seal Bahamut, you'd think he wouldn't just appear randomly and the Allgans go "oh we should seal that before it does harm," so I'd say they were probably at war with Bahamut (maybe the Dravnians as well) and they could not defeat it so they had to seal him away. If they did use a sealing technique similar to what Louisoix tried, maybe they drained too much aether from the land and caused earthquakes and or the land to literally collapse under their people. So the Earth events they caused (maybe Archons had a hand in it as well?) brought on the Fourth Umbral Age.

Will what we talk about here also is that the twelve are really not gods but just old technology left by allgans. Seeing how Circle of Knowing of the people are from Dravania region which is what louisoix is from he could have learn how to seal bahamut say way allgans people did.. The twelve could just be a very powerful technology or they could be powerful gods not a lot of information yet on that one.

Even how advanced a civilization can be they always would try to use the cheapest and fastest and strongest source of power which is known as aether they may had no other choice then use the aether even knowing how much it would mess up the world they live in. Maybe they knew to save other civilization they have to make that sacrifice i wish there was more go on .

we also have this information
"During the quest Living on a Prayer, Louisoix and the Circle of Knowing marked stones throughout Eorzea with the symbols of The Twelve, and urged adventurers to offer prayers to each of them with the hopes of summoning the yet unseen gods."

We also have this which could or not be true
"Some believe the Archons either caused or rectified the Sixth Umbral Era 1500 years before the game."

I hoping the post that going to happen in a few days would fill in the blanks and give us enough information to go on but still having us guessing on what going to happen next never fun knowing everything :0

[Warlock]

Nidhogg and Midgarsormr are kings among dragons and Bahamut is their Primal which also happens to be an Elder Primal. Some ppl have said the Primal above Titan in the poster behind Yoshi-P and Morbol in the last live letter is Shiva but is actually Siren ...so why she was put there and not Fenrir or Shiva or Odin is unknown and what beastmen will worship Siren also bottom center of poster has something made out of darkness i can't figure out what is.Ppl pointing at Sylphs to be the ones summoning Ramuh , which is odd cuz Sylph has been a summon themselves in other FFs lol.I think Odin is the only Primal that could get the job done of sending Bahamut into a labyrinth What you guys think?

[Zenaku]

Nidhogg and Midgarsormr are kings among dragons and Bahamut is their Primal which also happens to be an Elder Primal. Some ppl have said the Primal above Titan in the poster behind Yoshi-P and Morbol in the last live letter is Shiva but is actually Siren ...so why she was put there and not Fenrir or Shiva or Odin is unknown and what beastmen will worship Siren also bottom center of poster has something made out of darkness i can't figure out what is.Ppl pointing at Sylphs to be the ones summoning Ramuh , which is odd cuz Sylph has been a summon themselves in other FFs lol.I think Odin is the only Primal that could get the job done of sending Bahamut into a labyrinth What you guys think?

My idea why Siren and may things this also is because siren give us the gift of the echo. Ifrit said "I smell the taint upon your soul." but he could not guess which primal it could mean that when siren give us the power of the echo we could be the beastmen in a sense of the primal Siren. Even the empire have said the people we the echo are like beastmen to them so we are also there enemy. It would explain why we have the power to understand every language and how we can see event of the pass from someone soul. From the CE of FFXIV 1.0 people think that is the art work of Siren herself i mean if that where the storyline is heading then it pretty cool if not then i hope we find out one day who really give us the power of the echo so far all we doing is guessing.

[NoloeTazier]

Nidhogg and Midgarsormr are kings among dragons and Bahamut is their Primal which also happens to be an Elder Primal. Some ppl have said the Primal above Titan in the poster behind Yoshi-P and Morbol in the last live letter is Shiva but is actually Siren ...so why she was put there and not Fenrir or Shiva or Odin is unknown and what beastmen will worship Siren also bottom center of poster has something made out of darkness i can't figure out what is.Ppl pointing at Sylphs to be the ones summoning Ramuh , which is odd cuz Sylph has been a summon themselves in other FFs lol.I think Odin is the only Primal that could get the job done of sending Bahamut into a labyrinth What you guys think?

We assume Sylphs will summon Ramuh because of the Lightning Bolt that is on their buildings in the villages. Also I highly doubt the Labyrinth of Bahamut contains Bahamut. It's just merely a name. How do you keep people from discovering secrets about Bahamut? Hide them with traps, so only your people can venture in. It probably has more to do with the Sharlayans than it does with Bahamut. Bahamut is going to fly around and do whatever he wants. Bahamut might fly to whatever place Midgarsormr came from (a place in the sky? sorta like how Rayquaza in Pokemon stays in the atmosphere).
Who knows, he's a huge Dragon that flew from the Carteneau Flats to Limsa Lominsa in a few seconds lol

[Warlock]

We assume Sylphs will summon Ramuh because of the Lightning Bolt that is on their buildings in the villages. Also I highly doubt the Labyrinth of Bahamut contains Bahamut. It's just merely a name. How do you keep people from discovering secrets about Bahamut? Hide them with traps, so only your people can venture in. It probably has more to do with the Sharlayans than it does with Bahamut. Bahamut is going to fly around and do whatever he wants. Bahamut might fly to whatever place Midgarsormr came from (a place in the sky? sorta like how Rayquaza in Pokemon stays in the atmosphere).
Who knows, he's a huge Dragon that flew from the Carteneau Flats to Limsa Lominsa in a few seconds lol

Well something HAS to stop him or distract him for the world to be rebuilt in 5 years as others have questioned this as well and what will be Bahamut's behavior as we play ARR he will be out there. i have mentioned this before that it could be portrayed like Acnologia an era ending dragon in the anime Fairy Tail Lore ...hes out there and there's a chance he can show up and if he does that's it for that civilization and humanity has to practically start over again which could serve as an explanation to the 7 Umbral eras ending and beginning