CG Midlander

[Teakwood]

Actually, I rigorously continuity-checked this earlier today. Look at the lore on the website -

The Empire took over Ala Mhigo 15 years ago, /was stopped by the unexpected presence of a Primal/, waited around 5 years for reasons we don't know, then tried to press forward into Eorzea, //and then were stopped decisively at the battle of Silvertear Falls//, and have been waiting another 10 years since then.

Curiouser and curiouser!

[Anonymoose]

Yeah, either Yoshida-san misspoke (doubtful due to the wording), the original author elaborated more than they were supposed to and (as I mentioned as to why we won't be accepting our theories as truth) had a small house of cards going that can't handle the new explicit lore, or there was a slight retcon of what Midgardsormr was.

Either way, it at least solves a big issue for me - if he's not a primal, we don't need to know why his dead husk is still there instead of going back to aether.

[Zenaku]

Yeah, either Yoshida-san misspoke (doubtful due to the wording), the original author elaborated more than they were supposed to and (as I mentioned as to why we won't be accepting our theories as truth) had a small house of cards going that can't handle the new explicit lore, or there was a slight retcon of what Midgardsormr was.

Either way, it at least solves a big issue for me - if he's not a primal, we don't need to know why his dead husk is still there instead of going back to aether.

Seeing how this is a final fantasy game midgardsormr can come back to life at somepoint seeing how is body is still there with skin and everything and not just shit load of bones lol.

[NoloeTazier]

i think i said that in this topic or other amal'jaa where small lizard in ul'dah area when ifrit came to the land. Everything burn and he found that the lizard was not. He was so impress by this that he give them them a gift and give him some of his power making them turn into the beastmen we know today as amal'ja. The Ixal also got a gift from garuda they also could Fly but ended getting bored of that gift so ended up losing it but in return learn how to build many type of new technology.

There not so much information on Koblods or the rest of the beastmen but i guess they follow the same. But the idea SE went is that there was normal mobs more normal then let's say salamanders because there was small lizard that ifrit saw.

@NoloeTazier that make no sense to what the NPCS lore said in each of the 3 citys ul'dah one said what i just said above that they was lizard that did not get burn by ifrit.

Why doesn't it make sense? Amalj'aa and Ixali use to trade crystals to humans but around the time when the Primals appeared, they began to hoard them and use them only to summon their Primals. We learned this in the Path of the Twelve story.

Also here's Ifrit:
Ifrit: You avow yourselves blessed by gods, yet lack the capacity to summon them to your aid.
Ifrit: To which do you kneel, mortals?
Path Companion: I kneel to no false gods.
Ifrit: Fools. Blind to the grace of those who would grant you protection and bless you with their fortune.
Path Companion: And who is it that protects me now?
Amalj'aa: Blasphemy! Death to the heathens!
Amalj'aa: Mind your tongue when speaking to the Lord of the Inferno, lest we cut it out!
Ifrit: I smell the taint upon your soul. Is it Garuda...or Titan? Perchance...Leviathan?
Path Companion: I know not of what you speak.
Ifrit: Vex me not, mortals. The Paragon warned of the godless blessed.
Ifrit: There can only be one TRUE god in this world, and those without cannot be allowed to roam unchecked.
Ifrit: Yet the Paragon has entreated that I spare you, and so I shall--on one condition.
Ifrit: Vow that you shall forsake the summoning of Another. Do so, and your sins will be absolved. Refuse me, and your soul will burn for eternity.
Amalj'aa: On your knees, heathens, and give your oath! In the name of Ifrit, Almighty Lord of the Inferno!
Amalj'aa: Almighty Lord of the Inferno!

He knows we worship the Twelve but thinks it is funny we cannot summon them like the Amaj'aa can summon him. "Blind to the grace of those who would grant you protection and bless you with their fortune." This line leads me to assume that Ifrit thinks we are worshipping the wrong "gods," that we aren't actually worshipping the god(s) that ACTUALLY watch over us. Then he begins to question to which Primal it is, but he himself doesn't know which it actually is. And whoever the Paragon(s) are, they taught the Beastmen how to summon the Primals but also warned the tribes AND the Primals themselves about us.

Either way, it at least solves a big issue for me - if he's not a primal, we don't need to know why his dead husk is still there instead of going back to aether.

Yeah, instead of evaporating away like Ifrit and Garuda, it's merely rotting like a normal animal. Kinda gross.

[Zenaku]

Why doesn't it make sense? Amalj'aa and Ixali use to trade crystals to humans but around the time when the Primals appeared, they began to hoard them and use them only to summon their Primals. We learned this in the Path of the Twelve story.

Also here's Ifrit:
Ifrit: You avow yourselves blessed by gods, yet lack the capacity to summon them to your aid.
Ifrit: To which do you kneel, mortals?
Path Companion: I kneel to no false gods.
Ifrit: Fools. Blind to the grace of those who would grant you protection and bless you with their fortune.
Path Companion: And who is it that protects me now?
Amalj'aa: Blasphemy! Death to the heathens!
Amalj'aa: Mind your tongue when speaking to the Lord of the Inferno, lest we cut it out!
Ifrit: I smell the taint upon your soul. Is it Garuda...or Titan? Perchance...Leviathan?
Path Companion: I know not of what you speak.
Ifrit: Vex me not, mortals. The Paragon warned of the godless blessed.
Ifrit: There can only be one TRUE god in this world, and those without cannot be allowed to roam unchecked.
Ifrit: Yet the Paragon has entreated that I spare you, and so I shall--on one condition.
Ifrit: Vow that you shall forsake the summoning of Another. Do so, and your sins will be absolved. Refuse me, and your soul will burn for eternity.
Amalj'aa: On your knees, heathens, and give your oath! In the name of Ifrit, Almighty Lord of the Inferno!
Amalj'aa: Almighty Lord of the Inferno!

He knows we worship the Twelve but thinks it is funny we cannot summon them like the Amaj'aa can summon him. "Blind to the grace of those who would grant you protection and bless you with their fortune." This line leads me to assume that Ifrit thinks we are worshipping the wrong "gods," that we aren't actually worshipping the god(s) that ACTUALLY watch over us. Then he begins to question to which Primal it is, but he himself doesn't know which it actually is. And whoever the Paragon(s) are, they taught the Beastmen how to summon the Primals but also warned the tribes AND the Primals themselves about us.



Yeah, instead of evaporating away like Ifrit and Garuda, it's merely rotting like a normal animal. Kinda gross.

Will either the NPC is saying there was lizard who trade with humans then ifrit came and give them a gift or the npc words just not use right or i read it wrong either way i'll go with the idea that they was beastmen lizards then ifrit came makem ore sense anyways.

I don't think he rotting like a normal animal i think he preserve like that. I think the reason the primals blow up and evaportating when they die like that is because we don't really see the real primal it's just there shadow in a way of themself showing in our world to summon there full body into our world would take a lot of power i wonder if this part is true what would take to bring out the real primals into our world,.

I wonder what the other primals beastmen could be like Odin is a Elder Primal i wonder if he take the empire side or he would just be random primal we have to fight.

I also hope we get more information on circle of knowing we know that they hails from the city-state of Sharlayan in the northwestern Dravania region and marked by the tattoo on their neck. But i guess we find up more information when they release that city-state i guess that when we get to meet Roegadyn Archon named Ahldbhar.

[NoloeTazier]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Umbral_Era

So reading up on info provided from this link.

Information on periods prior to the Fifth Umbral Era is hard to come by, and little is known about the other eras beyond their elemental alignments and the destruction of the Allagan civilization on the Fourth Umbral Era.

The Fourth Umbral Era of Earth - Destroyed the Allagan civilization.

So we can assume the Allgans were destroyed by something dealing with the Earth and not by Bahamut. All that power to seal Bahamut and they lose to an earthquake

[Jacien]

Anywho, I just wanted to let you all know that you aren't being ignored! (And yes, we're still pushing to get an actual Lore page on the new ARR Lodestone so all these posts can be consolidated in one convenient location. ♪Mired by a plague of ill-placed lore posts, the Ferne, he mourns♪).

So we can assume the Allgans were destroyed by something dealing with the Earth and not by Bahamut. All that power to seal Bahamut and they lose to an earthquake

Like Link from Zelda. Can easily defeat the Prince of Darkness, but can't win against a bunch of Cuccoos.

[Zenaku]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Umbral_Era

So reading up on info provided from this link.


So we can assume the Allgans were destroyed by something dealing with the Earth and not by Bahamut. All that power to seal Bahamut and they lose to an earthquake

Bahamut was still a power elder primal of it's time sure titan may have been there during that time but titan is noting when it come to bahamut. Remember that it took life energy from the earth to make dalamud and seal away bahamut. They could have been left defenseless once that done that with no more energy to use they would have die by any attack. Sometime the smartest civilization die by the most dumbest thing.

That my take on that

[NoloeTazier]

Bahamut was still a power elder primal of it's time sure titan may have been there during that time but titan is noting when it come to bahamut. Remember that it took life energy from the earth to make dalamud and seal away bahamut. They could have been left defenseless once that done that with no more energy to use they would have die by any attack. Sometime the smartest civilization die by the most dumbest thing.

That my take on that

We don't know if that is how the Allgans sealed Bahamut. They were far more advanced than the Garleans today, so we can't say 100% that they used the land's aether and sealed Bahamut the same way Louisoix tried. I never said Titan had anything to do with it, it just merely states the Allgan Empire was destroyed in The Fourth Umbral Era. But we can assume it was destroyed because of said Earth event. But yeah if they sealed Bahamut, they could have been left defenseless after. I would theorize they were left with no other option but to seal Bahamut, you'd think he wouldn't just appear randomly and the Allgans go "oh we should seal that before it does harm," so I'd say they were probably at war with Bahamut (maybe the Dravnians as well) and they could not defeat it so they had to seal him away. If they did use a sealing technique similar to what Louisoix tried, maybe they drained too much aether from the land and caused earthquakes and or the land to literally collapse under their people. So the Earth events they caused (maybe Archons had a hand in it as well?) brought on the Fourth Umbral Age.

[Warlock]

Nidhogg and Midgarsormr are kings among dragons and Bahamut is their Primal which also happens to be an Elder Primal. Some ppl have said the Primal above Titan in the poster behind Yoshi-P and Morbol in the last live letter is Shiva but is actually Siren ...so why she was put there and not Fenrir or Shiva or Odin is unknown and what beastmen will worship Siren also bottom center of poster has something made out of darkness i can't figure out what is.Ppl pointing at Sylphs to be the ones summoning Ramuh , which is odd cuz Sylph has been a summon themselves in other FFs lol.I think Odin is the only Primal that could get the job done of sending Bahamut into a labyrinth What you guys think?