CG Midlander

[Laevetine]

Hello all, late to the game i know. Please forgive me for getting a little lengthy.

I have always worked under the assumption that Sthalmann was on Hobs ship in "Civvies" as he was searching for what i would say are accomplices. Since i would say it agreeable that he has been working on taking over admiral for quite some time. I feel that its safe to say for whatever reason Sthalmann is commodore at the very beginning.

As far as the Trident goes i have always seen it as like what the Gotei 13 did in olden days Bleach. It was used when it was needed. For example if someone dies or their is a consensual challenge.

I do agree with a lot of stuff in this thread (though it is getting quite a bit along now). I Personally believe that at least Y'shtola has the power of the echo as well or something close to it. I have my suspicions of Thancred and i do not believe Yda and Papalymo have it.

On a related wild tangent, I think a lot of problems with continuity is us. I'm a firm believer that we are the proverbial thorn in the side on most everything we see.

Bear with me if you will that Limsa's and Ul'dah's plots could have easily played out way different had we not been there. I think that because we threw our "spanner" into the mix we caused issues. Since we are supposed to be viewing the past of someone else (how they remembered it) since we are there now, things are not quite right.

We are explained various powers of the echo through the storyline, but that really does not encompass what we see. The way i have it figured is that after the big aether explosion 10 years ago people started cropping up with echo powers. Certain people sensitive to these types of things gained various abilities. Seen as how some people can see the past and some can understand languages such as mooglespeak. Though we are very different as our powers are a direct gift from the mother crystal.

The example that alludes me to this.

In the Gridania story when dealing with the Pad'jal they speak to us outside the echo of things we need to do in the past mainly pertaining to dunstan and Fye. At the time we do not know we are going to the past so it nothing to us. Now if what Minfillia says is true and we can not change the past then why are these kids telling us to do so? I think that is what makes us so important is that we can affect the past and thats why stuff is hard to understand. It's Because we are fumbling like idiots trough the past cause we do not know any better.

Another thing that i think of is that we can not use the echo directly on the Pad'jal they know and block us. (Not sure where this was said but i remember it in the game somehwere.) So someone had to be leading us around to do stuff and the pad'jal had to be doing it knowingly since we can not do it ourselves to them.

Take it for what you will, though this is kinda my thoughts on it. The whole thing makes me think that the guy who made twin peaks is writing an episode of quantum leap...

Sorry for commenting and kinda derailing love what you guys have been doing here. Also cannot wait for official lore area on the new site so we can see what really happened.

[Icecylee]

Another thing that i think of is that we can not use the echo directly on the Pad'jal they know and block us. (Not sure where this was said but i remember it in the game somehwere.) So someone had to be leading us around to do stuff and the pad'jal had to be doing it knowingly since we can not do it ourselves to them.

That's not entirely correct - as there's at least one side quest where you use the Echo on Raya-O to see a conversation between her and her sister. She *does* notice what you're doing by the end of it though, and she gets pissed off while somehow throwing you out of the echo before berating you for using it on her and then teleporting off.

[Catapult]

That's not entirely correct - as there's at least one side quest where you use the Echo on Raya-O to see a conversation between her and her sister. She *does* notice what you're doing by the end of it though, and she gets pissed off while somehow throwing you out of the echo before berating you for using it on her and then teleporting off.

You beat me to it.

That being said, there is a distinct possibility that E-Sumi-Yan is on to you when you meet at the Greatloam Growery and he sends you to find Pearl Clover fruits. He knows the true history of Fye and Dunstan unlike the rest of town who are playing off gossip. And so, rather than showing his hand, he could choose to wait and see where this unravels. The next time you see him in the present day is at the small harvest, where he is in deep conversation with the Hermit of the Wood, who is also on to you.


And Moose, thanks for pulling me up on the "leviathan" statement. I clearly had my lore in a knot.

[Anonymoose]

And Moose, thanks for pulling me up on the "leviathan" statement. I clearly had my lore in a knot.

Whatever work needs to be done to get people up to the same page I'm stuck on so we can start translating it together, that's work well spent! :P

[Laevetine]

That's not entirely correct - as there's at least one side quest where you use the Echo on Raya-O to see a conversation between her and her sister. She *does* notice what you're doing by the end of it though, and she gets pissed off while somehow throwing you out of the echo before berating you for using it on her and then teleporting off.

Ahh i stand corrected, i never got to finish all of Gridania stuff so i had to take a lil liberty.

Though i still say that O-App and E-Sumi lead you along in the present knowingly.

And if nothing else we have a whole lot of plot coming up in the future.

[Catapult]

Ahh i stand corrected, i never got to finish all of Gridania stuff so i had to take a lil liberty.

Though i still say that O-App and E-Sumi lead you along in the present knowingly.

And if nothing else we have a whole lot of plot coming up in the future.

It would be easier to say that the padjal begin to lead you along in order to make best use of your naïvity as the story progresses, even if they don't properly understand what it is you can do. As you spend more time in the past, you gradually go from being a nobody to someone who is a bit of a historical contradiction that O-App is then capable of picking up on.

"Sonething tells me you will not meet with much trouble finding [Fye]"

This of course assumes that the echo allows us to make small changes to history, predominantly to what people remember.