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[Anonymoose]

So, it would seem that Leviathan was a "gift" from one of the twelve daities.

The Twelve may indeed be who made the Primals.

I started thinking the same thing, but after Ferne's reply I realized that we need to be very careful with this idea.

I don't think the legend of Swallowtail Roam is about Leviathan at all - I think it's about the sea serpent, who we have confirmation is neither Leviathan nor a primal. This makes the serpent very much like Midgardsormr; not a primal, ancient, credited with creation by the Twelve, and dutiful to a specific purpose.

Remember, when the island rises and the treasure is removed, who comes for it? Not Leviathan. We mistook it for Leviathan, it looked like Leviathan, it basically used Tidal Wave... but it wasn't him. It was "Llymlaen"'s serpent.

I'm still working out the text for the last two loremongers on this subject, so I can't say with certainty where this is going (and oh my god are there seemingly some contradictions, so I'm sure I'll be back here begging for answers even after the fourth is finished.)

Also it's hinted that Urianger or the Archons were responsible for the Sixth Umbral Era.

This is something we'll likely have to wait until ARR to know for sure; remember, the story for this game was created to be flawed. It's created to have red herrings, false perspectives, misunderstandings... there are rumors circulating that the Circle of Knowing is responsible for the SEVENTH Umbral Era as well - but we saw firsthand that they did everything they could to stop it.

In the scene that Kan-E-Senna's introduced, were those spirits killed by Garlean soldiers or Wildlings?

I'm going to recommend talking to Catapult about that one; he knows far, far more than I about Gridanian matters (especially while I'm still trying to solve Lominsa's lore issues).

[Catapult]

I'm going to recommend talking to Catapult about that one; he knows far, far more than I about Gridanian matters (especially while I'm still trying to solve Lominsa's lore issues).

Why thank you.

It is certainly implied and the player could be forgiven for simply assuming that it was the garleans who slew those elementals, but it is not explicitly stated as such. However, what we DO know is significant:
- These elementals are referred to as "great ones", meaning they are the kind that can simply "take" people like how we see happen to Swethyna's unit in a later Twin Adder quest. They aren't harmed easily, let alone killed.
- This is a turning point for Kan-E. The Seedseers don't consider themselves as needing to be in Gridania much, since they are better placed conversing with the Wood.
Kan-E has recognised that there is a great threat in the Wood, but in order to address it, she must engage against the Garlean problem.

Now do we believe that the Garleans are the great threat? If so, the Garleans killed the Great Ones. But I am not of that opinion. I believe that what killed them is the same thing that assulted Farimond's squad in Souls Gone Wild.

Ascians? Odin? Sigurd and Oona's operation? Yeah, we're waiting for that to be cleared up.



On an earlier topic, Moose, you used the term "primal's Voidsent essence."
This is a contradiction in terms, since Voidsent are from beyond the aether, but primals are amongst it.
I envisaged Bahamut's prison as one that starved him into a coma, but fed him just enough aether, possibly drawn from the Moon, to keep him from dissipating.

[Digirotta]

I don't think the legend of Swallowtail Roam is about Leviathan at all - I think it's about the sea serpent, who we have confirmation is neither Leviathan nor a primal. This makes the serpent very much like Midgardsormr; not a primal, ancient, credited with creation by the Twelve, and dutiful to a specific purpose.

Yeah, i'm kinda feeling it too, after sleeping on this thought. It's revealed in the storyline, that summoned primals are but temporary beings, which would kinda give Leviathan an uncalled edge, were it to be simply "freed" from aetherstream by unlocking Seal Rock. And considering Leviathan's part in the lore along with other similar primals, it just wouldn't make that much sense.

Remembering back the words of Yoshi-P about Dravanians, Bahamut and Midgarsormr, that'd leave Nidhogg to be the assumed gift of Llymlaen. (Nope, wait, that doesn't make sense either, my bad ._.)

Now that i think of it, i remember you guys discussing how the Ul'dah storyline unraveled to be a planned assasination. Reflecting that to Limsa's storyline, the cutscene where the Player finds Emmeric in the anchored ship's cargo hold, Travenchet arrives to the scene. The battle ends after the Sea Serpent uses a Tidal Wave-like attack. Which kinda gave me the feeling, that Travenchet is in control of it, like Kraken was in Pirates of the Caribbean. What if he attacked in the very first Limsan cutscene, too?

Which kinda makes me want to raise the question, are the sea serpents in these two cutscenes the same, and are they both controlled by Travenchet at the time? If so, the horn we've seen might be the one, that controls it, meaning, the echoes, where Y'shtola is searching for a man without a shadow, might have occurred AFTER she lost that horn to Travenchet.

I haven't had my morning coffee yet, and i'm already going a-hundred-and-twenty. Ohhh i can't wait for ARR. *jumps up and down*