Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
I seriously doubt Urianger is a Paragon. I think it's already been established that he's an Archon, unless you think Archons are Paragons. But I don't see Louisoux as a Paragon since he's sending us to kill off summoned primals. I'm not convinced that the Paragon's asking that Ifrit spare us as an act of benevolence. As happy as I am that Hiir Noivl was not fried to a crisp right there, the fact that Ifrit was THERE was essentially the Paragon's FAULT.

So... I'm still thinking Paragons are Ascians.....
Just because he's an Archon I don't think automatically rules him out as a Paragon. The whole Paragon term was associated with him, it could have just been a nasty rumor since rumors had already been spread about him, but Urianger does know how to Summon.

The point I tried to make about 20 pages ago was that maybe Urianger taught the Beastmen how to summon the Primals because they weren't entirely sure if the City States would live up to par in their view. Remember they traveled to the City States to see if they had the power to challenge the Empire. Maybe Urianger taught the Beastmen how to summon so they could fight back against the Empire or protect themselves against the Empire. They had the knowledge to summon them and the knowledge to defeat them.

Now if Urianger isn't a Paragon, that still doesn't make them bad. Just because he/she/they taught the Primals how to summon, that doesn't necessarily make them evil, maybe to us and aether wise. But we don't know the entire motif yet. Also when the Beastmen summoned their Primal for the first time, I would think they would be able to tell if the Paragons were 'evil' like an Ascian. Evil as in, even more tainted than us, shadowless. The Sylphs are very smart and know their magic, if a Paragon was an Ascian I believe they would have known. When the Ascian began to appear in the Path quest the Beastmen became scared (and it seemed like they felt him before he even was even seen).

I have come with another idea.. What if the Ascians are messengers of Odin , He been the Elder Primal Lord of the Underworld and the Ascians seem to come right from there..Odin sends them to free up the Primals why?
Doubt it, I don't think Odin has any impact on 1.0 storyline. I'll still stick by my Odin coming from The Crystal Tower theory. I just feel like Odin has everything to do with the Allagan Empire and may have something to do with Solus zos Galvus but I dunno, the helms are kinda similar lol but I said the same thing about Odin and the Legatus.