CG Midlander

[Warlock]

Yeah, the paragon thing can go either way. Ascians is a good place to be suspicious since we learn about them at roughly the same time. The main thing I'm suspicious about is that the Archons and Paragons are spoken of in EXACTLY the same manner, down to the wording used in the game script.

Archons come in dark times to lead their people to the light of The Twelve
Paragons come in dark times to lead their people to the light of the Primals

I also started toying around with the idea that the, if the Paragons and Archons are the same, that perhaps they figured they could use the primals like batteries - store up all the aether in things that the Empire would have a hard time taking down, so it would be less likely to be fed to their own purposes... but... that's a bit of a stretch.

For those of you digging through the four city missions before the paths converge, is anyone getting any feeling about how far back these echoes are going?

For Limsa, I'm getting about 5 years. Anybody else arriving at that?

In Gridania side i didn't notice an Echo going that far ..what i DID notice is that from the start till you do a full pass out Echo and right after you are told you have this gift at the White Sands you experience the Echo repeatedly , a lot more often than after you are told you have such gift. In all CSs there is a woosh sound that goes together with a change of music and right after it the person you are talking with says something like "huh?, wut were was i? ah! yes as i was saying" you are jumping in and out of Echo constantly the line is lost when you are in and when you are out...so what is this supposed to mean?

[Catapult]

In Gridania side i didn't notice an Echo going that far ..what i DID notice is that from the start till you do a full pass out Echo and right after you are told you have this gift at the White Sands you experience the Echo repeatedly , a lot more often than after you are told you have such gift. In all CSs there is a woosh sound that goes together with a change of music and right after it the person you are talking with says something like "huh?, wut were was i? ah! yes as i was saying" you are jumping in and out of Echo constantly the line is lost when you are in and when you are out...so what is this supposed to mean?

The Gridanian one is also rather confusing. There are two sets of kids, one containing Powle and Sansa (always out of echo), the other containing Krimm and Fye (always in echo), but the two groups don't seem to know each other that well even though they both hang out at the acorn orchard. You get the feeling there has been a seperation of at least a few months, if not up to 10 years (it's hard to tell, but I'm betting about six months because you DO see Powle and co arriving at the echoed version of the festival as well, meaning they are alive and of kid-age), but this all gets turned on it's head with the ceremony at the end of the last quest.

You meet Dunstan out of echo prior to him being cleansed or meeting Fye. O-App-Pesi encourages you to make sure Fye meets Dunstan in the upcoming cleansing rites, since you have been the only person reportably being able to find her as she roams the woods searching for Dunstan. (They just don't realise you've been doing it in the echoed past, not the present.)
You then observe the cleansing rite inside an echo, make sure Fye meets Dunstan inside it and, by the power of that affection presented to the elementals at the ritual, everyone lives happily ever after. The wierd paradox leads me to the only possible conclusion I can think of:

You were rattled by the echo, not because you had an echo-in-an-echo, but because you managed to change history, which is something that normally isn't supposed to happen. A paradox mid-echo would likely knock you out as history re-aligns itself.

Any chance people can apply this concept to the Limsa or Ul'dahn stories?