CG Midlander

[Soukyuu]

It's "grammaryes".... Dictionary.com spells it with one "m".

I looked it up, didn't know about this word existing too. The meaning is similar to grimoire though, so I thought you meant that ._.

But if he weren't going to teach them how to use the key, why were the Sahagin cooperating with Travanchet at all? After all, Travanchet didn't share with the Knights of the Barracuda how to use the key. It was useless in their hands. Unless there was something in it for the Sahagin, I don't see why they would ally themselves with the Ascian.

The Leviathan summoning was already sorta scrapped when the unfortunately real-life events occurred. They WERE going to have Leviathan in the story, but Seal Rock disappeared into the mists again and didn't reappear.

Well, maybe they cooperated to simply unseal him so that they could summon him later. I don't think you can summon sealed primals, as we saw in the old opening, ifrit&co were unsealed on midgardsomr's death, which allowed the tribes to summon them. I think something similar has to happen with Leviathan, too.

[HiirNoivl]

I looked it up, didn't know about this word existing too. The meaning is similar to grimoire though, so I thought you meant that ._.

Well, maybe they cooperated to simply unseal him so that they could summon him later. I don't think you can summon sealed primals, as we saw in the old opening, ifrit&co were unsealed on midgardsomr's death, which allowed the tribes to summon them. I think something similar has to happen with Leviathan, too.

Yes, but only after they were taught to do so.

Let's be honest here, the primals aren't our buddies, the beast tribes that summon primals aren't our buddies either. Sisipu said that until Seal Rock showed up, Sahagin didn't bother Limsa Lominsa at all. Once it showed up, Sahagin burned down a village and killed everyone in it.

According to the sylphs, those to cross the border between corporal and aetherial are turned evil. They said their minds are clouded, the hearts are hardened and their souls darkened.

The folks wandering around teaching beasts tribes to summon can't be the "good guys". Whether they are Ascians or not... but the Ascians are the only bad guys aligned with beast tribes and on a mission to free a primal.

So, that's why I'm thinking Paragon and Ascian are related or even the same.

EDIT: And going further out on a limb, when Baelsar complained about the stench of shadow at Silvertear falls in the VA'ed cutscene of Forever Taken, maybe he was remembering how the primals were released during the battle there and it ruined their day which is another idea that could link Ascians and primal summoning together.

And considering that Yoshi revealed that the Empire cares more about killing beast tribes than conquering our lands, I don't think this storyline is going to completely disappear so it's worth looking at.

*rolls in all the lore* Wheee-heehee! \o.O/

[Warlock]

Yes, but only after they were taught to do so.

Let's be honest here, the primals aren't our buddies, the beast tribes that summon primals aren't our buddies either. Sisipu said that until Seal Rock showed up, Sahagin didn't bother Limsa Lominsa at all. Once it showed up, Sahagin burned down a village and killed everyone in it.

According to the sylphs, those to cross the border between corporal and aetherial are turned evil. They said their minds are clouded, the hearts are hardened and their souls darkened.

The folks wandering around teaching beasts tribes to summon can't be the "good guys". Whether they are Ascians or not... but the Ascians are the only bad guys aligned with beast tribes and on a mission to free a primal.

So, that's why I'm thinking Paragon and Ascian are related or even the same.

EDIT: And going further out on a limb, when Baelsar complained about the stench of shadow at Silvertear falls in the VA'ed cutscene of Forever Taken, maybe he was remembering how the primals were released during the battle there and it ruined their day which is another idea that could link Ascians and primal summoning together.

And considering that Yoshi revealed that the Empire cares more about killing beast tribes than conquering our lands, I don't think this storyline is going to completely disappear so it's worth looking at.

*rolls in all the lore* Wheee-heehee! \o.O/

You look Hawt rolling on Lore ^_~. I think the Paragon is Urianger as he knew already about us and he was concerned in our safety. I have been pondering over why the rest of the Circle of Knowing let Urianger appear to be an enemy and let him be hunted for a while until later on is revealed he is part of the crew.

[HiirNoivl]

So, that's why I'm thinking Paragon and Ascian are related or even the same.

*rolls in all the lore* Wheee-heehee! \o.O/

Woohoo! I called it!

*Rolls in Moar Lore*

[Anonymoose]

Woohoo! I called it!

In the first days of dawn, old enemies become new and two were never two.
The highest among beasts and the hoarders of horns would dim the six to silence the one.

Found Among the Incoherent Writings of Nostradamoose

Indeed! I forgot you'd called it so soon, but I figured a big mess of things out (and realized I didn't know a few things I thought I did, as well) while working on a very intense project that's coming soon. I was planning on writing a "This is Your Enemy" article about Ascians as they're mentioned so seldomly, but between the Beta and the new trailer, Team Yoshi-P is going all out "This is Your Enemy."

This is what Gaius meant when he said, "[Eorzea] must be saved." Everything in on the Ascians. The Empire feels that if the world is going to be saved at all, they're not going to be able to waste time being diplomatic with people too stupid to understand what's going on. You can choose - submit to Imperial rule or lose the war. Either way you're not stopping them from taking this threat head on. The only thing that remains to be seen is whether the Garleans made the "Primals are here incidentally as part of a larger ascian plan" leap.

We'll see if Beta also eliminates my need to write the Archons article.

[Fleurette]

Something else that was mentioned in the Ul'dah storyline that reminded me of you guys was some stuff on Lolorito...I'm not sure if it was Moose or Hiir that pointed this out in this thread and the Ul'dah story thread, but as we expected, Lolorito has some dirty tricks up his sleeve. He sends his goons after anyone who aspires to be in the Syndicate and during the second main story quest, is very close to becoming your enemy...He really wants to overthrow the Sultanate. Also they mentioned him in the THM quest i think; he's been donating a lot of gil to the Ossuary, so...I'm starting to see a connection here with the 1.0 Ul'dah story, and I definitely don't doubt the possibility of Lolorito being the one who killed Nielle in 1.0 anymore.

also nice call, hiir!

[NoloeTazier]

Something else that was mentioned in the Ul'dah storyline that reminded me of you guys was some stuff on Lolorito...I'm not sure if it was Moose or Hiir that pointed this out in this thread and the Ul'dah story thread, but as we expected, Lolorito has some dirty tricks up his sleeve. He sends his goons after anyone who aspires to be in the Syndicate and during the second main story quest, is very close to becoming your enemy...He really wants to overthrow the Sultanate. Also they mentioned him in the THM quest i think; he's been donating a lot of gil to the Ossuary, so...I'm starting to see a connection here with the 1.0 Ul'dah story, and I definitely don't doubt the possibility of Lolorito being the one who killed Nielle in 1.0 anymore.

also nice call, hiir!

That was me actually lol.

My 2 points were: either Lord Lolorito hired an assassin after the "thief" who stole the Heartstrike or Warburton had a Revenge-Will that the Thaumaturge honored upon his death, since it was an "unnatural" death. If Warburton had any wealth it went to the Thaumaturge and his Revenge-Will was then executed on the man who caused his death, Niellefresne.

I can see where Warburton would be the one to kill Nielle, after all if Lord Lolorito had sent an assassin after Nielle he clearly would have had instructions to recover the Heartstrike (or at least the jewel on the pommel). But Nielle dropped the dagger and the jewel was shattered. But as a real criminal would think, if the Heartstrike was then taken from the crime...and somehow appeared back in Lolorito's care, everyone would know that he probably had something to do with it.

As for what Nielle saw in the sarcophagus, I'm inclined now to just toss out a bomb and say he's shocked both because Warburton is not inside and the body of Corguevais is staring up at him. That's my own speculation and probably has 0 merit, besides the fact Warburton's body is probably 99% not the body inside the sarcophagus.

Also as Moose says, Raubahn is probably all that stands between the Sultana and the Syndicate now...a nice juicy tidbit is here brother the prince is a member of the Syndicate and owner of the Platinum Mirage.

Enemies enemies everywhere. Ul'dah has the Syndicate, Limsa has pirates, and Gridania is all peaceful in the woods.. =[