CG Midlander

[Anonymoose]

Also, do we know the dragons of Dravania worship Bahamut for sure? Logic suggests their affiliation was closer to Midgardsomr. That being said, Ishgard now has more of a reason to get involved now, dragon-haters that they are.

I believe so. The quest in the Aurum Vale says that we're there to look for an Ishgardian theologian who was studying myths of a battle between The Fury (Halone) and dragonkind. Knowing that the Dragons of Dravania have strained the city's resources, they reach out to you to find the theologian, who claims to have found proof that these dragons worship a god.

Now, at time time these tales were written, the being may have been arguable as Midgardsormr - but the Empire, knowing Midgardsormr is dead, still seeks aether. This NPC argues that, because dragons are a far superior species to "lesser" beings like the beast tribes, their God must be superior, as well.

One might argue that these beings can be resummoned over and over as long as there is aether to be had, but for some reason, Midgardsormr seems to be an exception. Unlike Garuda, Ifrit, and Deus Darnus, it did not revert back to aether upon death - it is simply a burned skeleton covered in charred/ashen flesh. So, something's up there.

Seeing as how the World Serpent is dead, and the Empire's still after the theologian and the aether, I'd say that they still fancy this dragon god a possibility. I'd assumed that these were men of the VIIth Legion, which we know to have been slightly rogue (acting with permission explaining half-truths to the Emperor), so it fits that this would be part of the plan of Van Darnus, who we know to be under Bahamut's influence (hence his use of Megaflare, which I really should have seen before now).

As for the Allag - that should be enough keywords to find it in my lorebank...

[places hands over books and whispers]

Grand Company Quest (Limsa Lomina): Alive

Ebrelnaux: What we do know is that the Allagan civilization was established sometime soon after the dawn of the Third Astral Era, more than fifty centuries past. It thrived in Eorzea for more than a thousand years, its boundaries extending as far as the great continent to the north and east.

[Junpei]

I think old Ferny owes up some ANSWERS of his own, given the date.

[Teakwood]

Thanks, Anony Moose! You're my hero. For some reason I thought the Allagan civilisation was around a lot more recently than that and/or that the 6th Umbral Era had begun a lot further back in time than it actually did. (I was going to theorise that Bahamut was responsible for -all- of the Umbral Eras, but no, that doesn't make any sense.)

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

[NoloeTazier]

Thanks, Anony Moose! You're my hero. For some reason I thought the Allagan civilisation was around a lot more recently than that and/or that the 6th Umbral Era had begun a lot further back in time than it actually did. (I was going to theorise that Bahamut was responsible for -all- of the Umbral Eras, but no, that doesn't make any sense.)

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

I'm sure there's so many goodies out there, like what is inside The Crystal Tower, what about Sil'dih, what about that ancient city somewhere in the Blackshroud (I don't think the name was ever said, think they said the trees swallowed it).
Nidhogg is sleeping west of Ishgard in an island, but I'm sure the noise will awaken him. Let's not forget all the places we haven't even been to yet, Mount O'Ghomoro, Paglth'an, Dravnia, Sharlayan, Xelphatol, Gyr Abania, Mazlaya.

[Anonymoose]

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

"Evils-in-a-can" LOL

I'd like to imagine that at least a couple of the eras managed to solve their dilemmas as opposed to just stick a band-aid on it for the Seventh Umbral Era kids to clean up. It's a delicate situation for SE's loremakers - they need to justify leaving the putting off of these evils until now, but explain why we can't do the same thing (lest we end up not actually beating anything as opposed to just stuffing it in a box and shouting "HAH!" at the expensive of our descendants).


Also, I had this idea about the opening video and realized that I missed the most obvious tell of what AG it is - the Guildleve should say so. And it does. And I was wrong. ><

IT'S LIES. IT'S ALL LIES.
WE'VE BEEN HAD, GENTLEMEN.
(Except Catapult, who I just realized was talking about THIS
when he said leve plate, not that he meant the
Resolve stained glass...)

I guess I should maybe relax my hopes for these CG people... it takes place in an alternate and idealized reality, lol. *n* Tell them it's not too late, Ferne! There's still time to make excuses! Say it was a Faction Leve from Limsa offered multi-nationally!

It seems some of this was decided independently of lore, as well - the miqo'te, for instance, has the vertical pupils of a Seeker of the Sun (Keepers of the Moon have round pupils) and yet wears the Keepers of the Moon warpaint; the early lore makes these things sound mutually exclusive, iirc.

[Orophin]

As for how long he's been up there I don't know. It would seem that The Twelve locked him up in the first place, but Dalamud is specifically referred to as "the red moon of Allag," and they have technology allowing for its control.

I'd have to look this up to be sure, but I think the Allagan Empire fell after the Third Astral Era, ushering in the Fourth Umbral.

...

The good news is that the new cutscene didn't get us any new info about The AG Party or the 10 Years Ago Party aside from that they still hang out... though, I'm starting to question if they even have stories or names. I'd be a little disappointed if they are just proxies to represent "us."

As far as the time period when the Allaghan empire was around, I remember the same you said, around the 3rd Astral period. I recorded practically every cutscene I've ever done the last two days prior to shutdown and it was never mentioned in there, but I'm pretty sure I got it from that NPC Erik since he has a bit of interesting lore tidbits.

As far as the CG Midlander mystery, I think he and his party as supposed to represent us adventurers as a whole in being teleported away to be saved to confront Bahamut later on.

NOW - Here are my burning questions:

1. I wonder how they're going to explain what Bahamut has been up to during the time we've been in limbo.

2. What was Atomos' role in 1.0?

3. This question will probably answer itself, but how did the Empire get out of the attack unscathed? Maybe they didn't and are in the same situation as the other citizens of Eorzea; rebuilding their forces and preparing for another conquest. But this again kind of ties back into #1: What's going on with Bahamut that would allow them to still remain an antagonist?

I realize ARR is being designed more or less for people without any knowledge of what happened in 1.0, but it'd still be kind of nice to know some of these things for continuity sake.

[NoloeTazier]

1. I wonder how they're going to explain what Bahamut has been up to during the time we've been in limbo.

2. What was Atomos' role in 1.0?

3. This question will probably answer itself, but how did the Empire get out of the attack unscathed? Maybe they didn't and are in the same situation as the other citizens of Eorzea; rebuilding their forces and preparing for another conquest. But this again kind of ties back into #1: What's going on with Bahamut that would allow them to still remain an antagonist?

I realize ARR is being designed more or less for people without any knowledge of what happened in 1.0, but it'd still be kind of nice to know some of these things for continuity sake.

1.) Thats what I want to know whether its a lore post on lodestone (an after the battle kind of thing) or a CS.

2.) My theory on Atomos was he was trying to balance our plane as much as he/they can. If dimensions affect each other maybe he was just doing his job. But there's no way he was here helping Bahamut as people want to try and speculate. Atomos came after aether was being sent to Dalamud/Bahamut, like he came to fix the problems.

3.) That was only the VIIth Legion, well the remnants of what was left in Mor Dhona. The VIIth was Van Darnus'. There's still a whole lot more Garleans left, but the only knowledge we have been given are about the VIIth and the XIVth, the latter being Gaius Van Baelsar's unit that is occupying Ala Mhigo.

[Irana]

You dont want me taking time theory...believe me..

But anyways....if we (you/me and our companions) survived a fire blast from an airship that exploded in a humongous ball of exploding fire... Im pretty sute Hyur dude can survive the fall XD

[Orophin]

3.) That was only the VIIth Legion, well the remnants of what was left in Mor Dhona. The VIIth was Van Darnus'. There's still a whole lot more Garleans left, but the only knowledge we have been given are about the VIIth and the XIVth, the latter being Gaius Van Baelsar's unit that is occupying Ala Mhigo.

True, but according to the cutscene, Gaius was clearly there watching the outcome of what was going to happen. It was made pretty clear he was going to be in ARR anyway, it just seemed weird that he was present at the battle and managed to survive, and I'm sure Louisoix didn't go out of his way to save him.

[Teakwood]

I'm sceptical about Atomos being an overtly antagonistic force; at worst, his presence is like an opportunistic infection taking advantage of a plane of existence whose crystals have been weakened with a concomitant lapse in the structure of its local reality. Eorzea's had a fairly cosy relationship with the Void for a while now, viz. the snurbles and their less photogenic brethen tromping all about the place.

Sadly, we probably won't know what the deal is with Bahamut -or- Atomos lore-wise until 2.0 releases. Hopefully there'll be a handy NPC nearby to explain what we missed in the five years we were somewhere south of accepted reality (assuming that we did indeed get sent elsewhere and elsewhen by Louisoix's ultimate sacrifice.) Doesn't mean it's not fun to speculate, though!