Sorry, Moose. I have another spanner for your gobcogs.

Where you have deeply looked into Limsa, I've spent more time digging around Gridania. Your assertion that Ysh'tola was echo-hopping for half the story implies the rest of the circle of knowing were as well, but this is undermined by what Yda and Papalymo teach us.

The very opening scene is where we meet these two. While they seem to understand moogle-speak, Yda thinks they must be in the afterlife. They also seem rather shocked at the end of the third quest when they realise they were looking at the past with you. It suggests that they got their echo skill at about the same time you did and if they were indeed echo hopping (and that opening sequence gets really complicated if they are), then they themselves are equally unaware of it.

Later on in Futures Perfect, whichever archon you have followed tells you that they plan to find out who gave them this power. They themselves suggest that they do not know.

No, I believe the person doing the majority of the echo hopping is you.


And that brings me to a different thought. When did the members of the circle of knowing become archons? Are they really incarnations of the Twelve in the flesh like the archons of yore, or did they simply choose to adopt the title for the purpose of progressing their cause? Their cause being the unification of the city states against the impending threats.