CG Midlander

[Catapult]

Sorry, Moose. I have another spanner for your gobcogs.

Where you have deeply looked into Limsa, I've spent more time digging around Gridania. Your assertion that Ysh'tola was echo-hopping for half the story implies the rest of the circle of knowing were as well, but this is undermined by what Yda and Papalymo teach us.

The very opening scene is where we meet these two. While they seem to understand moogle-speak, Yda thinks they must be in the afterlife. They also seem rather shocked at the end of the third quest when they realise they were looking at the past with you. It suggests that they got their echo skill at about the same time you did and if they were indeed echo hopping (and that opening sequence gets really complicated if they are), then they themselves are equally unaware of it.

Later on in Futures Perfect, whichever archon you have followed tells you that they plan to find out who gave them this power. They themselves suggest that they do not know.

No, I believe the person doing the majority of the echo hopping is you.


And that brings me to a different thought. When did the members of the circle of knowing become archons? Are they really incarnations of the Twelve in the flesh like the archons of yore, or did they simply choose to adopt the title for the purpose of progressing their cause? Their cause being the unification of the city states against the impending threats.

[Zenaku]

Sorry, Moose. I have another spanner for your gobcogs.

Where you have deeply looked into Limsa, I've spent more time digging around Gridania. Your assertion that Ysh'tola was echo-hopping for half the story implies the rest of the circle of knowing were as well, but this is undermined by what Yda and Papalymo teach us.

The very opening scene is where we meet these two. While they seem to understand moogle-speak, Yda thinks they must be in the afterlife. They also seem rather shocked at the end of the third quest when they realise they were looking at the past with you. It suggests that they got their echo skill at about the same time you did and if they were indeed echo hopping (and that opening sequence gets really complicated if they are), then they themselves are equally unaware of it.

Later on in Futures Perfect, whichever archon you have followed tells you that they plan to find out who gave them this power. They themselves suggest that they do not know.

No, I believe the person doing the majority of the echo hopping is you.


And that brings me to a different thought. When did the members of the circle of knowing become archons? Are they really incarnations of the Twelve in the flesh like the archons of yore, or did they simply choose to adopt the title for the purpose of progressing their cause? Their cause being the unification of the city states against the impending threats.

for me it did not seem like they got it at the same time you did. They seem part of a bigger picture seeing how they have powers that most people not seen like the Miqo'te from the boat doing the shield that def you in the LL opening and everyone seem very shocked about that type of magic. Even tho we don't see what yda and papalymo can do we can think they can do something just like the miqo'te and the Hyur from ul'dah. They also all have the same tattoo which make me wish they got more into that storyline. I hoping in 2.0 we learn more about all 4 of them and what they all about.

[Catapult]

for me it did not seem like they got it at the same time you did. They seem part of a bigger picture seeing how they have powers that most people not seen like the Miqo'te from the boat doing the shield that def you in the LL opening and everyone seem very shocked about that type of magic. Even tho we don't see what yda and papalymo can do we can think they can do something just like the miqo'te and the Hyur from ul'dah. They also all have the same tattoo which make me wish they got more into that storyline. I hoping in 2.0 we learn more about all 4 of them and what they all about.

6 of them. Let's not forget Louisoix or Urianger.

[Anonymoose]

6 of them. Let's not forget Louisoix or Urianger.

7 if you count the tale of Rhalgr's archon, Ahldbhar. Edited my above post to respond to your newest theory cogwrenches

EDIT:
Keep in mind that the Archons, including Urianger by name are known to be involved with the other eras. What are the possibilities for this?

Perhaps they're echo jumpers in the future jumping into multiple ERAS of the past, and we're seeing it from a point of view that looks like thousands of years when it's really just their own lifetime in the future...

Perhaps this gave them the appearance of agelessness, thus an association with The Gods... perhaps it's true... or perhaps they, themselves, inspired the stories of The Twelve in the first place...

I'm sure I'll get to that when I get to those cutscenes. I'm on Toll of the Warden, lol

EDIT 2:
The Opening Battle Rethought
So we were focused on the Midlander... but what of the Battle of Silvertear Skies?
I was too focused on the other things to pay attention to this earlier, but Midgardsormr is a word Nordic in origin that means Midgard Sperpent, thus World Serpent. This is the title of Jormungandr, who would die as the world ended in Ragnarok (Renewal of the Gods).

In the Nordic tales, Jormungandr's final battle is with Thor (name meaning Thunder), who defeats him at the cost of his own life. This is what we see with the Empire's warship - The Agrius. The name of the imperial ship is a little more difficult to pin - but I'm going with the Latin root (for obvious reasons) ager, which means field. Taking this noun and adding the adjective suffix -ius would make its name mean something the lines of "of the fields" or "Wild" (Savage?).

What we're seeing may very well be the START of Raknarok - the renewal of the gods where the world is drowned in water (the great deluge that precedes the umbral era). Raknarok ENDS with the deaths of deities of that era ... especially that of Odin.

Perhaps the primals are the gods require death and renewal in our time... which lead to a few strange questions about The Twelve and the Circle of Knowing. I have some theories, but after the 11th I'll have a lot more constraints to form a theory with.

What's also interesting is the term "Ascian", (Latin: Without Shadow) a race who are interested in taking possession of "The Key," which seems to be a horn. Is this the same horn that is blown to signal the coming of Judgment Day?

Perhaps what we see in the Echo of Limsa Lominsa is the Ascians are stealing the horn and using it to begin Ragnarok! As I've shown previously, the events of Leviathan occurred long enough ago that the following have happened: Sthalmann has fallen from grace and is now a lowly pirate, the position he sought to take from the Admiral has gone to Merlwyb, who has reduced the power of pirate forces significantly, Sisipu has gone from a child to an independent, Baderon has gone from a "sprat" to the owner of the Drowning Wench... what I'm saying is that it's been years.

[Zenaku]

6 of them. Let's not forget Louisoix or Urianger.

I don't count Louisoix because he seem to have the tattoo i'm talking about. It seem the people with the Tatto are part of a group or organization. In one of the final CS from grid they all came together ready to fight the black wolf empire guy. When it come to louisoix he seem to be part of the primals and the 12 gods of eorzea he even have the mark of one of them.