CG Midlander

[Skies]

Ultimately, I'd like to see them as actual characters, probably doing their own thing. Not saying that they take credit for everything, but there's been a good amount of thought and background put into them. Hell, this is what this thread was originally made about.

Ferne himself has said it, those characters are... Just another group of players! That is basically their stance on them. Not being able to depict every player at once, they picked just one random group of them to put in that place. They're not so much surrogates for the player, but they are players like us.

[Jacien]

Actually it's more like they're both.

But that still leaves one question—was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you haven’t come across them is probably the same reason you haven’t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). They’re just somewhere else. Though, maybe you’ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you won’t. How’s that for committing to an answer?

Bolded part is what I'm looking forward to as a possibility.

It'd be neat. For promotional material they'd be just symbols, but ingame they could be actual characters doing their own thing apart from our quests.

[Ramesses]

Actually it's more like they're both.



Bolded part is what I'm looking forward to as a possibility.

It'd be neat. For promotional material they'd be just symbols, but ingame they could be actual characters doing their own thing apart from our quests.

Yeah, same here and I agree... there was an awesome thread about this sometime last November where many of us expressed a suggestion to meet the "Warriors of Light" in-game. And like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is... because like everyone, I actually love seeing this party together in the CGs (and the lore regarding ARR won't be the same without us knowing what happened to him).

I still speculate that he decided one of the following paths:

• Hiked into the wilderness of destroyed Ala Migho to train in becoming a Monk (this option has now been elimiated after we saw the new promotional artwork showing a female Monk)
• Travels to Limsa and becomes a dual welding Musketeer
• Wandered off to Sharlayan to become a Samurai or Ninja (he DID have a chill, cunning air about him in the original 1.0 CG).
• He hiked it to Ishgard to train with the knights and became a become Dragoon (which is becoming more and more the likely possibility... new promo art looks like him innit? Plus, it also opens up several awesome opportunities for us to quest with "the party" in Ishgard)

Darn it... wish I could find that thread. But the general consensus was that the last option seemed most plausible...kinda fits very well with their tale, the DRG AF storyline plus it will likely explain why he was not at the final battle.

Wish we had a PM system on here... woulda liked to ask Anonymoose Or Catapalt if they had some thought on this.

[NoloeTazier]

Yeah, same here and I agree... there was an awesome thread about this sometime last November where many of us expressed a suggestion to meet the "Warriors of Light" in-game. And like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is... because like everyone, I actually love seeing this party together in the CGs (and the lore regarding ARR won't be the same without us knowing what happened to him).

I still speculate that he decided one of the following paths:

• Hiked into the wilderness of destroyed Ala Migho to train in becoming a Monk (this option has now been elimiated after we saw the new promotional artwork showing a female Monk)
• Travels to Limsa and becomes a dual welding Musketeer
• Wandered off to Sharlayan to become a Samurai or Ninja (he DID have a chill, cunning air about him in the original 1.0 CG).
• He hiked it to Ishgard to train with the knights and became a become Dragoon (which is becoming more and more the likely possibility... new promo art looks like him innit? Plus, it also opens up several awesome opportunities for us to quest with "the party" in Ishgard)

Darn it... wish I could find that thread. But the general consensus was that the last option seemed most plausible...kinda fits very well with their tale, the DRG AF storyline plus it will likely explain why he was not at the final battle.

Wish we had a PM system on here... woulda liked to ask Anonymoose Or Catapalt if they had some thought on this.

I remember a response by Ferne but I don't remember the male Elezen being mentioned. Just the CG Midlander, the male Roeg, female Miqo'te, female Lalafell, and female Elezen. The only speculation we really have for him is that he knows what the Echo is and probably has it himself as he asks the Midlander "return from your reverie?" or something along those lines.

I'm not sure he could become a Dragoon, because we become a Dragoon and recover the Dragoon AF that was put there by Ser Alberic after the Eye of Nidohogg acknowledges us, but I mean I guess it's possible for this to happen to him as well after all he's essentially an Adventurer like us. Also the Dragoon art isn't an Elezen, there's no ears sticking out:

As for the other speculations...as far as we know Widargelt is the only Monk left from Ala Mhigo. Erik tells us that the Ala Mhigan King Theodoric destroyed the Fists of Rhalgr, PROBABLY influenced by Gaius van Baelsar or Garlean spies, after all we're told that Ala Mhigo fell with little resistance and bloodshed because of the Garleans inciting unrest in the populous. So they probably go hand-in-hand.

Samurai and Ninja will probably come from the "east," a.k.a. Othard so Sharlayan is probably out of the question.

Dual wielding Musketeer, lol maybe.

But now that you bring up the topic, it would be nice if we can learn where the Male Elezen is as we learn about the CG Midlander and troop.

[Anonymoose]

I don't remember the male Elezen being mentioned. <snip> Erik tells us that the Ala Mhigan King Theodoric destroyed the Fists of Rhalgr, PROBABLY influenced by Gaius van Baelsar or Garlean spies

The male elezen was reported as leaving the group we see in End of an Era / A New Beginning, though no reason was given. Perhaps he'll show back up someday.

As for Ala Mhigo's political troubles, it's hard to say. The final fall of Ala Mhigo was surely due to Legatus Baelsar's manipulations, but did he create the entire conflict or simply add fuel to an already existing fire? The destruction of the Monks and tyrannical behavior by Theodoric took place around 1552, five years before they actually took the city. Did Gaius capitalize on an already bad situation, or was the Emperor totally fine with sitting around for five years after declaring it open season on Aldenard just to fell the first city? This remains unanswered, as far as I know.

[Ramesses]

*(Tries not to grin)*

You know Noloe? That image of the Elezen Dragoon is actually my very own screenshot... taken right after I completed the AF quests in-game. I put that on my blog about 15 months ago. In fact, the file name is still the same.

Secondly, (again because I actually posted the image up on my blog), several people have speculated that the Dragoon is in fact an Elezen... even on your image, look at the ears on the Dragoon VERY closely... pointy innit? Perhaps a better enlarged picture of my one from my blog can be found HERE

And yes, Ferne did mention an excellent legendary explanation for a LOT of the lore regarding the "Warriors of Light"...(BTW, its on page 23 of this thread)... we know he explained this already. Which is why if you read my post above, I specifically said "like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is..."

Several of us (like then and again now) were simply speculating on where he might be... and how awesome it would be to help the group in a quest to find him.

[NoloeTazier]

The male elezen was reported as leaving the group we see in End of an Era / A New Beginning, though no reason was given. Perhaps he'll show back up someday.

As for Ala Mhigo's political troubles, it's hard to say. The final fall of Ala Mhigo was surely due to Legatus Baelsar's manipulations, but did he create the entire conflict or simply add fuel to an already existing fire? The destruction of the Monks and tyrannical behavior by Theodoric took place around 1552, five years before they actually took the city. Did Gaius capitalize on an already bad situation, or was the Emperor totally fine with sitting around for five years after declaring it open season on Aldenard just to fell the first city? This remains unanswered, as far as I know.

I remember the speculation with the Male and Female Elezen and being the Black Mage, I just didn't remember Ferne saying he might show up again. And I'd say the loss of the Monks was a direct impact on the loss of the entire city. But who can say even if Ala Mhigo had their entire Monk force if they could have stopped the Garleans and their Magitek. It was probably well known that Ala Mhigo was the strongest military city-state and how strong their Monks were. Gaius van Baelsar may not have instigated things with King Theoderic, but was definitely able to capitalize on it easily enough..unrest would be easy to spark after such bloodshed.

*(Tries not to grin)*

You know Noloe? That image of the Elezen Dragoon is actually my very own screenshot... taken right after I completed the AF quests in-game. I put that on my blog about 15 months ago. In fact, the file name is still the same.

Secondly, (again because I actually posted the image up on my blog), several people have speculated that the Dragoon is in fact an Elezen... even on your image, look at the ears on the Dragoon VERY closely... pointy innit? Perhaps a better enlarged picture of my one from my blog can be found HERE

And yes, Ferne did mention an excellent legendary explanation for a LOT of the lore regarding the "Warriors of Light"...(BTW, its on page 23 of this thread)... we know he explained this already. Which is why if you read my post above, I specifically said "like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is..."

Several of us (like then and again now) were simply speculating on where he might be... and how awesome it would be to help the group in a quest to find him.

Elezen Dragoon like Lalafell Dragoons have 2 protrusions from their helmet. The 'silver' spikes in your picture (which lol it was just one of the first to appear on google) and the regular spikes like on the concept art.

Might be hard to see but there's 2 points, silver for the ears and the regular points on the helm

Here's a close up of Estinein, an Elezen Dragoon and both points are seen.

So if you look at the concept art..there's only 1 spike.

As for the other image you posted, the 'silver' part doesn't stick out like the ears would, but it's similar to the Miqo'te's style of the helmet. The silver being there but not prominently sticking out. More so styled closer to the helm.

Edit: Not saying it's a Miqo'te. The art does lack a Male Miqo and female Roegadyn though. I assume the Black Mage is the female Elezen though, looking carefully you can see ear protrusions.

[Anonymoose]

The syndicate (six richest people in Ul'dah) can usually be thought of as a two-party system. You've got your royalists, who believe that their power and wealth are a means to do right by the Sultanate, and you've got your monetarists, who believe that power and wealth are the goal at any other cost.

Currently, Raubahn is the only remaining royalist in the syndicate. That should give you an idea how bad things are going with that right now, lol.

When the Empire invaded Eorzea, the Monetarists, who had dealings in Garlemald already, simply bribed their way out of the embargo, the rest of Eorzea (including the Immortal Flames) be damned. It wasn't until they realized that Garlemald would see them all dead, anyway, that they came around and invested in the Grand Companies (and even then, finances went only in the Flames).

I'm still waiting to see if the old stories are wrapped up in ARR or if Ferne's just going to lay down the Truth and we'll move on with our lives, but right now I'm thinking the assassin was Warburton.

[HiirNoivl]

Elk? lol Thanks Anonymoose!

[Myranda]

Aside from any possible references to this Daybreak sword, I'd say that passage generally refers to the fact that both us the players (the Warriors of Light) and the Empire (the might) seek to eliminate the primals but in different ways and (maybe?) for different reasons. Ultimately, only one side will succeed and all of Eorzea must choose to either submit to Garlean subjugation or to resist being conquered and take care of the primals on our own.