CG Midlander

[Jacien]

Well, the Echo doesn't exactly change the past (it's not time travel), but it changes the memory of the person you're echoing into, right?

Like the kid from the ALC questline, he thought you were the one that saved him in Coerthas. Same with the CNJ quest.

Yeah, I'm not gonna worry too much about this and see how ARR handles it this time.

EDIT: You know what I don't get? I thought Minfilia had the Echo, but she couldn't understand what the Sylphs were saying. *shrug* I guess she doesn't have it, or her power level isn't high enough.

[Bowen]

Well, the Echo doesn't exactly change the past (it's not time travel), but it changes the memory of the person you're echoing into, right?

Like the kid from the ALC questline, he thought you were the one that saved him in Coerthas. Same with the CNJ quest.

Yeah, I'm not gonna worry too much about this and see how ARR handles it this time.

EDIT: You know what I don't get? I thought Minfilia had the Echo, but she couldn't understand what the Sylphs were saying. *shrug* I guess she doesn't have it, or her power level isn't high enough.

The echo is different for everyone. Some get the ability to speak to beast men, while others do not. Minfilia does have the Echo, she says so clearly.

[Jacien]

So our characters get the best version. We can control Echo jumps at will AND can understand all beastmen language.

#EchoSwag

[Warlock]

So our characters get the best version. We can control Echo jumps at will AND can understand all beastmen language.

#EchoSwag

We get the best version because as i said we can actually change events ...in ul'dah you sell a flower in echo ,in gridania you sell a tree root and in limsa you are confiscated a gun which later on is reported lost

[Crevox]

So...

I kinda get the story... not going as deep into it as you guys, because I'm not so good at it, but I do have one question...

What is Carbuncle?

[NoloeTazier]

So...

I kinda get the story... not going as deep into it as you guys, because I'm not so good at it, but I do have one question...

What is Carbuncle?

If it's not a Primal I would say it's just a Familiar. Be interesting to see the change in the Arcanist guild in Limsa, should have a lot of answers for us.

What Papalymo says that needed to be stopped was the breaking of the seal..they all had different approaches to it ..Tanchred was more like trying to figure out what catastrophe was going to fall on Ul'dah specifically when in fact the tragedy was going to affect the entire world which leads me to think that the information Warburton was supposed to deliver was that the Empira was going to launch a massive attack to Silvertear Lake and take over all the crystal resources ...the breaking of the seal was an accident...and the star shower maybe marks the death of Midgarsormr

That's sorta what I'm thinking, the first Starshower is our Awakening and is tied to the explosion that caused the Primals to be awakened from their Aether Prison. Then at the end of the Main story quests (before Path of the Twelve) we view the end of the 'Path,' we're viewing the catastrophe that will come. I believe the story could go anyway with Tanaka and Yoshi, the meteor shower could have been any large explosions and in Yoshi's case it becomes Dalamud and Bahamut. So it was safe to take that story and build from it.

I think we've finally got it. But I wonder why Ascians are only in one of the storylines and not the other. Also does anyone have a good picture of the Horn from the Limsa quest? I would like to see how similar it is to the one from the Ul'dah storyline.

[Catapult]

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

Opyltyl: So it's flowers you want, is it? Drop the pretence. You're embarrassing yourself, and insulting my intelligence. It's obvious the goldsmiths have sent you.
Opyltyl: Our head tender has ordered a ban on the sale of all flowers to any in service of the Eshtaime name.
Opyltyl: There was but one of their kind who respected us and our ways, and he is no more for this world. That Lalafell fiend that styles herself guildmaster there now had him murdered in cold blood. I've no doubt as to that.

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:

Hnaufrid: Our current guildmaster seems to be getting on well enough with the owner. It was the previous guildmaster who caused all the trouble. They say he conspired with powers in the other nations to topple Lord Lolorito and take Eshtaime's for himself.

EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

Holbubu: Count yourself lucky that you were not here some ten years ago, to suffer the strife which engulfed Eshtaime's Aesthetics.
In our darkest hour, there was a very real danger that the Order of Nald'thal would seize our name and assets.

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

[NoloeTazier]

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:


EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

Yeah I definitely think it's safe to say the events happened at the time of Battle of Silvertear Skies. The DANGER that Warburton comes to warn Ul'dah about is about the Primals. I still can't say if Warburton or Corguevais are Imperials or what happens to Corguevais after he flees. But I do think probably 75% chance that the Lala Twins "took care" of him. But what happened to the Horn? Is there more than 1 Horn or is it just the 1?

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.



A few tidbits a friend of mine translated for me:
The Echo = 過去を見る力 = The Power of Seeing the Past
Minfilia = Minfiria
Ascilia = Ashiria
Corguevais = Kouguvei
Was trying to find a correlation with the name change and stuff but least it's still similar lol

[Warlock]

Yeah I definitely think it's safe to say the events happened at the time of Battle of Silvertear Skies. The DANGER that Warburton comes to warn Ul'dah about is about the Primals. I still can't say if Warburton or Corguevais are Imperials or what happens to Corguevais after he flees. But I do think probably 75% chance that the Lala Twins "took care" of him. But what happened to the Horn? Is there more than 1 Horn or is it just the 1?

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.



A few tidbits a friend of mine translated for me:
The Echo = 過去を見る力 = The Power of Seeing the Past
Minfilia = Minfiria
Ascilia = Ashiria
Corguevais = Kouguvei
Was trying to find a correlation with the name change and stuff but least it's still similar lol

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:


EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

If most of your missions leading up to "White Sands" are set 10 years in the past that would match with Minfilia and Krimm been in their early 20s maybe Minfilia is not the most special Echo user but she had the initiative to start the organization ...maybe the journey she claims some of the members have done that have reached the end and when they came back didn't want to say anything because the answer was too much of horror ..shes not talking about actual physical journey and more like these guys have been Echoing into the past so much from person to person going deeper and deeper they reached the Allagan times...what you guys think about this?

about the horns they are a perfect match but what was a mammet doing with a relic (just like how Y'shtola calls it) so dangerous? did Travanchet sell it to Niellefersne?

[Warlock]

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.

I thought the horn had no presence in Gridania at all but i was curious and it just hit me like a slap and remembered a moogle in the Gridania intro blows a horn to calm down the treant as well...and BAM! it is indeed the same horn ...so what the hell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...6EAwZO8#t=451s @ 7:31
also found this small pic i can't make out from which Limsa quest it is the CS but this Mi'qote is apparently using said horn as well maybe i'm wrong on this one..

About the horn been around Gridania is proof for my theory that the shadow floating through the forest mentioned in an early quest by lancer been ambushed was in fact an Ascian