CG Midlander

[Warlock]

Excellent read Noloetazier
At first i thought Niellefersne's killer was Corguevais coming back to make sure the truth was not discovered ...but as you pointed out is a Hyur not an Elezen...Then i thought it was an assassin hired to stop the necromancy from happening because its forbidden....But now i'll place my bets that the hooded guy was actually Warburton , that would explain why he didn't do anything to Ascillia and why Niellefresne was so shocked ..because the crypt was empty! remember through an Echo we find Corguevais and Ascillia alone with Warburton right at the moment he supposedly dies? what if they used something to make him appear to be dead but was just temporal?

Now onto Jinrya Geky's find lol nice catch .. if you are right then it was Fenrir who had fun feasting on Garleands ..but who summoned him?

[NoloeTazier]

Excellent read Noloetazier
At first i thought Niellefersne's killer was Corguevais coming back to make sure the truth was not discovered ...but as you pointed out is a Hyur not an Elezen...Then i thought it was an assassin hired to stop the necromancy from happening because its forbidden....But now i'll place my bets that the hooded guy was actually Warburton , that would explain why he didn't do anything to Ascillia and why Niellefresne was so shocked ..because the crypt was empty! remember through an Echo we find Corguevais and Ascillia alone with Warburton right at the moment he supposedly dies? what if they used something to make him appear to be dead but was just temporal?

Now onto Jinrya Geky's find lol nice catch .. if you are right then it was Fenrir who had fun feasting on Garleands ..but who summoned him?

Yeah, I'll be honest. I watched each Cutscene probably 25+ times (looking for shadows) so I was carefully watching backgrounds and everything. The only Hyur that comes to mind is Warburton, he would have a full wardrobe makeover with his new black robe and those caligae. Now for Corgeuvais I'm pretty baffled by wardrobe changes, I can't explain why he goes from a bland robe (supposedly Imperial) to a sleek black robe with a purple collar. One theory that comes to my mind is that there were 2 Corguevais, by why would an imposter not wear the same clothes as the one he is trying to mimic. I don't know, there's too many holes when you try to paint Corguevais as anything. He's suppose to be an associate of Warburton but he does not know about Ascilia? Why would a random from Ala Mhigo be allowed to seal and control monsters during a Parade. If his mission is the same as Warburton and Warburton supposedly had important intel that Ul'dah needed to know, why would he be playing around at a Parade.

Corguevais, Warburton, and Ascilia just bring up so many questions for me. If Ascilia was born in Ala Mhigo and children in Ala Mhigo are being brainwashed by the Garleans, how did she make it out? She would have to be older than 15 to have avoided the conflict. F'lhaminn was the only one to tell us that Warburton is from Ul'dah and was returning from Ala Mhigo with information, did he smuggle Ascilia out? If Warburton is instead an Imperial spy, why would he risk his daughter's life in the duty? What was Corguevais doing in the Nanawa mines?

So frustrating, why couldn't Corguevais just be an Ascian to make things match Limsa >=(

Edit: Sorry all the questions distracted me, it could definitely be that they used a spell or a potion (Damielliot) to make him appear dead, all just a cover up. But what comes from killing Niellefresne? You learn in the Goldsmith quests that since Nielle stole the Heartstrike dagger that the Esthaime name was tarnished and his father was removed as Guildmaster but Master Lolorito kept his brother Colbernoux around. I don't see how that can help the Empire's cause in Ul'dah. Also Nielle is currently in like a suspended animated state, he cannot pass on because of the Heartstrike, I just wonder how the jewel shattering made this happen, but I guess if you go deep in it and theorize a whole lot you could come up with the jewel having the power to stop the dead from dying and using Thaumaturge arts you could somehow control the dead body? Maybe that's how they planned to "resurrect" Warburton and ask him questions.

[Warlock]

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Yeah it is very confusing but Warburton had more than one motive to kill Niellefresne.
1.How Niellefresne rigged the parade to cause an accident that almost cost his daughter's life
2.In consequence his mission is interrupted
3.Maybe they find out about Niellefresne's true intentions with the information he posses
Also i can't stop thinking about F'lhaminn's expression when you walk into the crypt with Tanchred ...is too suspicious like "damn they gonna find out" or "its going as planned" evil grin animators didn't put that in just because..and who is her "loved" one that she sings for ? obviously is not Niellefresne as she doesn't give a damn about him after/during the incident
And after that mission you never hear about them again.

EDIT: Looking at the Ul'dah intro again the story doesn't make sense.. Warburton is admiring the fireworks with Ascillia and seems to have all the time of the world yet he has vital important information for the same people that's walking around him preparing the parade and doesn't tell them?
From then till the Parade happens is unknown how much time passes by and still he hasn't delivered this information and you are witnessing all this supposedly through an Echo. At the end of the intro you see Ascillia crying by Warburton laying on the ground left side of the gobbue its the only time you get to see his shoes and seem quite similar to that of the guy that stabs Niellefresne.
Also if you look at it Corguevais is the only one that takes a direct hit from the gobbue yet he is fine and Warburton dies from a brush? a rock didn't hit him...so something is fishy what are your thoughts?

[Skies]

By the way, just to theorize a bit on Warburton.
But perhaps he is in fact a spy, an Ul'Dahn spy, that is. And his daugther is, in fact, Ala'Mighan. Howso, you ask?
The tought came to mind that he was on a very, very long mission. In fact a mission so long of infiltration that he formed a family, even had a daugther. And only recently he came across this dreadful secret. And it brought danger to him and he had to escape, and even then with the empire's propensity of brainwashing that we see mentioned later- He'd certainly try to smuggle his own child out the place.

Of course, another thing might be that the entire secret he bringing from there is Ascilia, exception given that nobody notice that at all because it's deeply unexpected.

[NoloeTazier]

By the way, just to theorize a bit on Warburton.
But perhaps he is in fact a spy, an Ul'Dahn spy, that is. And his daugther is, in fact, Ala'Mighan. Howso, you ask?
The tought came to mind that he was on a very, very long mission. In fact a mission so long of infiltration that he formed a family, even had a daugther. And only recently he came across this dreadful secret. And it brought danger to him and he had to escape, and even then with the empire's propensity of brainwashing that we see mentioned later- He'd certainly try to smuggle his own child out the place.

Of course, another thing might be that the entire secret he bringing from there is Ascilia, exception given that nobody notice that at all because it's deeply unexpected.

Thank you for bringing this up, this actually got me thinking more into it and it DEFINITELY makes sense.

Ascilia being the information COULD be one of the missing keys to the storyline. F'lhaminn tells us that Warburton was returning to Ul'dah (from there) with vital information from Ala Mhigo. Ascilia tells you in the same CS (both in the Echo) that she was born in Ala Mhigo. If Ascilia was brainwashed in a way to where memories have been altered, we could guess that there would be a way to un-alter them. One way of un-altering these memories and drawing out important information could be the use of Thaumaturge skills. So who is a Thaumaturge? Corgeuvais. The man who supposedly had the same mission as Warburton. Warburton was at the Parade to meet Corguevais so they could then act together. This would explain WHY Warburton nor Corguevais went to the powers to be in Ul'dah and gave them valuable information, they didn't have it yet. Corguevais was able to use SEALING MAGIC on a Goobbue to keep it calm, so you could guess that he was adept enough in Thaumaturgy that he MIGHT be able to UNSEAL MAGIC as well or bring out whatever need be that Ascilia may or may not possess in her memories of psychy or what have you. It would explain why Corguevais wanted to take care of Ascilia and help and take care of Warburton's funeral rights. Corguevais may or may not have extracted the memories or the information from Ascilia before becoming desperate when he was exiled. The information may have been so unexpected (and after witnessing Niellefresne's attitude about the war) that he felt that if he told them the truth, they would not believe him, not to mention he learned the truth of Warburton's death. Corguevais may have felt that he owed Ul'dah nothing and decided to take Ascilia, whom he told the truth, with him in his exile.

lol I went a little deep in there but I'm just trying to put a story to it so my brain can work around these missing pieces. Thank you for bringing this up, definitely gives me a whole other side to look into.

Yeah it is very confusing but Warburton had more than one motive to kill Niellefresne.
1.How Niellefresne rigged the parade to cause an accident that almost cost his daughter's life
2.In consequence his mission is interrupted
3.Maybe they find out about Niellefresne's true intentions with the information he posses
Also i can't stop thinking about F'lhaminn's expression when you walk into the crypt with Tanchred ...is too suspicious like "damn they gonna find out" or "its going as planned" evil grin animators didn't put that in just because..and who is her "loved" one that she sings for ? obviously is not Niellefresne as she doesn't give a damn about him after/during the incident
And after that mission you never hear about them again.

EDIT: Looking at the Ul'dah intro again the story doesn't make sense.. Warburton is admiring the fireworks with Ascillia and seems to have all the time of the world yet he has vital important information for the same people that's walking around him preparing the parade and doesn't tell them?
From then till the Parade happens is unknown how much time passes by and still he hasn't delivered this information and you are witnessing all this supposedly through an Echo. At the end of the intro you see Ascillia crying by Warburton laying on the ground left side of the gobbue its the only time you get to see his shoes and seem quite similar to that of the guy that stabs Niellefresne.
Also if you look at it Corguevais is the only one that takes a direct hit from the gobbue yet he is fine and Warburton dies from a brush? a rock didn't hit him...so something is fishy what are your thoughts?

Yeah I never understood how pushing his daughter out of the way "killed" him. They show the carnage pretty soon in the CS and it doesn't look like Ascilia pushed a boulder or anything off him. Going through the Goldsmith quests, it's pretty apparent that F'lhaminn loved Niellefresne. If we wanted to go all dark, we could make it that Colbernoux (his brother) hired a man to kill him so F'lhaminn could be his. lol very doubtful but Nielle and F'lhaminn definitely had a thing going. It's kinda odd for the Lala Twins to propose to her considering how "close" everyone actually is, but maybe because Nielle is a noble and F'lhammin is not, they cannot marry.

But I definitely see way you're coming from, watching the CS at the moment and her expression is odd. If F'lhaminn and Warburton were a couple, it would explain why F'lhaminn wants take care of her for a "verrry" long time.

At the end of the intro you see Ascillia crying by Warburton laying on the ground left side of the gobbue its the only time you get to see his shoes and seem quite similar to that of the guy that stabs Niellefresne.

Sadly they're not, they're brown Duckbills or whatever they're called. But if Warburton is the Hooded Man we could assume he merely changed his entire wardrobe. Corguevais' robe changes but his pants and boots stay the same.

Edit: I figured out why Niellefresne says "it's not yet wilted" talking about the flower you sell to him. It's because he uses that flower to make the gift for F'lhaminn. AW YEAH. Figured it out.

[Skies]

Yeah I never understood how pushing his daughter out of the way "killed" him. They show the carnage pretty soon in the CS and it doesn't look like Ascilia pushed a boulder or anything off him.

I'm going to completely drop that one on 'We did not want to show a broken body in this game', actually. But that aside, have you ever had a glancing blow with a car? I doubt you have, you're not a retard like me.
I have a very light glancing blow with a car once thing wasn't even past 1 Km/h, I don't think, though I was running. It hit me hard enough to break my watch, send me spinning backwards and completely lose sense of action and time, in fact I was so stunned I just stared at the driver and ran into the street again ~_~.
I presume a glancing blow from a giant berserker potato should have roughly the same effect, even if he only got a glancing hit, given the way he jumped at her it was also probably at his back, he could definitely could have gotten hit hard.

[Warlock]

I'm going to completely drop that one on 'We did not want to show a broken body in this game', actually. But that aside, have you ever had a glancing blow with a car? I doubt you have, you're not a retard like me.
I have a very light glancing blow with a car once thing wasn't even past 1 Km/h, I don't think, though I was running. It hit me hard enough to break my watch, send me spinning backwards and completely lose sense of action and time, in fact I was so stunned I just stared at the driver and ran into the street again ~_~.
I presume a glancing blow from a giant berserker potato should have roughly the same effect, even if he only got a glancing hit, given the way he jumped at her it was also probably at his back, he could definitely could have gotten hit hard.

That still can't compare to the Ultra bitch slap Corguevais took from the Gobbue sent him flying to a pile of wooden boxes without a single scratch nor a broken bone if you compare that to what Warburton took if any makes no sense ...it would make sense if the gobbue headbutted him into the wall but that's not what happened

[HiirNoivl]

Gee I'm glad you're okay! D=

I think the Uldah story is by far the most convoluted.

[Jacien]

So in summary: All the city-state questlines are being rewritten to avoid the convulted mess from before, right?

I'm glad the Echo is staying (Minfilia too!). And I can't wait to be able to use my Path Companion.

Which had me wondering, when we chose our Path Companion's name, did it have to be unique from what anyone else chose like a retainer? Or can there be repeats like our GC Chocobo?

[NoloeTazier]

So in summary: All the city-state questlines are being rewritten to avoid the convulted mess from before, right?

I'm glad the Echo is staying (Minfilia too!). And I can't wait to be able to use my Path Companion.

Which had me wondering, when we chose our Path Companion's name, did it have to be unique from what anyone else chose like a retainer? Or can there be repeats like our GC Chocobo?

Not sure what you mean by rewritten sorry.

I'd say our Path Companions could have repeats, unless somehow it conflicts with the new battle system, then I'd say when we go to the Path we'd have something like "oh yeah I remember them...now what was their name again?" kinda thing, lol just a guess