CG Midlander

[Jinrya-Geki]

The paragon can only be...



or...

Ramuh. Of all the summons, everyone always listens to him. Even Ifrit in all his anger always seems to cool down when Ramuh asks him a favor, whenever the summons actually have some kind of dialouge.

[Bowen]

Ramuh. Of all the summons, everyone always listens to him. Even Ifrit in all his anger always seems to cool down when Ramuh asks him a favor, whenever the summons actually have some kind of dialouge.

Wait what? Since when?

[NoloeTazier]

When is a Paragon both a male and a female?

I knew it, they're snails.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Ferne.

[Catapult]

Woot! Ferne did me a favour!

E-herm...
/regains composure

Ok, two points on Dalamud Prime.

- Dalamud Prime definitely has more spikes. It may be safe to assume that if Second Dalamud was created in the same way, it didn't have as much oomph in it. I mean, for starters, it failed. But more importantly, Louisoix had to scramble to pull it togther. Ancient Allag would have had a gang of arcanists and/or summoners working on it.

- Erosion. Anything that has been up in the sky for over a millenia is gonna take some damage in the form of weathering on the way up and down and space debris that hasn't had a chance to burn up in the atmosphere. This is in addition to the thing getting bloddy hot and spitting off fragments as meteorites. That thing was bound to be a wreck of its original form by the time it was ready to shatter.

And on the banner, I'm simply inclined to think the thing is old and re-purposed by the Path, rather than being something they made themselves. If one of the Twelve's most significant moments in history was the sealing of Bahamut, it's going to leave behind some consequental cultural relics, even if their meaning has since been forgotten. And textiles can survive a millenia or two if properly taken care of.

I'm also inclined to the think that the whole "Dalamud is a prison for a bad guy" concept was at least on the cards for lore people to take advantage of at some point for an expansion. SE lore masters are known for having way more ideas brainstormed than they can fit into a plotline (particulalry the case for Pulse and Ivalice), although you'll still see that background lore working it's way into the game's environment to create a better working picture, Tolkien-style. Trying to retcon stuff in an FF world would be really complicated.
Chances are Yoshi-P met with the lore guys in Jan 2011 and asked "what are our plot options and can you do armageddon without rewriting your Eorzean history books?" Casting meteor on the lesser "moon" would have then emerged as such an option to consider.

[HiirNoivl]

Who are these people

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

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Somewhere along the banks of the Black Tea River in Gridania...

"I see the mind purge was a success," mutters a hooded man as he slowly folds a copy of the Raven and slips it beneath his dark cloak.

"I did only what was necessary. Had we let her continue before we had completed our preparations, the consequences would have been dire," replies a similarly garbed woman huddled in the shadow of a nearby tree.

The man pauses for a moment, then slowly lifts his head to gaze upon the twin moons hovering in the night sky before whispering, "Yet time is of the essence. There are those who have already begun to piece together the clues laid out before them, and soon our secret will be a secret no longer. But until then, we must remain vigilant..."

[Catapult]

Who are these people

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

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Somewhere along the banks of the Black Tea River in Gridania...

"I see the mind purge was a success," mutters a hooded man as he slowly folds a copy of the Raven and slips it beneath his dark cloak.

"I did only what was necessary. Had we let her continue before we had completed our preparations, the consequences would have been dire," replies a similarly garbed woman huddled in the shadow of a nearby tree.

The man pauses for a moment, then slowly lifts his head to gaze upon the twin moons hovering in the night sky before whispering, "Yet time is of the essence. There are those who have already begun to piece together the clues laid out before them, and soon our secret will be a secret no longer. But until then, we must remain vigilant..."

I'm... not sure. The vibe I'm getting is that we haven't met them yet.
They could of course be archons, in which case the woman is probably Ysh'tola and the man could be Papalymo. But it just doesn't quite feel right.

[Anonymoose]

Chances are Yoshi-P met with the lore guys in Jan 2011 and asked "what are our plot options and can you do armageddon without rewriting your Eorzean history books?" Casting meteor on the lesser "moon" would have then emerged as such an option to consider.

I consider this a strong possibility, as well. Perhaps whatever was inside of it beforehand fit the lore a little better. "Menphina's Loyal Hound" turned out to be kind of a world-ending pain in the Twelve.

Who are these people

I was putting together another dumptruck post about that but I gave up. The only people I can sensibly assume are under those cloaks are people we've already confirmed to be Archons. In order to stop the arrival of the Archons, the Archons arrived to prevent it? Hell, the Archons were here before Jihli was.

The only thing I can think of is that Jihli misinterpreted her vision. Perhaps it was The Twelve who were to be summoned and she misinterpreted it somehow. If you guys wanna take a crack at some theories, maybe they'll get me brainstorming. But what rides something shaped like an egg that you could summon and might be referred to as a deity that nobo-

Bahamut?

No... that would just be too depressing.

"Hey, everyone! The Empire is about to invade, but everything is going to be okay; a divine egg will hatch and we'll all be saved..."

[Gemma]

Who are these people

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

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Somewhere along the banks of the Black Tea River in Gridania...

"I see the mind purge was a success," mutters a hooded man as he slowly folds a copy of the Raven and slips it beneath his dark cloak.

"I did only what was necessary. Had we let her continue before we had completed our preparations, the consequences would have been dire," replies a similarly garbed woman huddled in the shadow of a nearby tree.

The man pauses for a moment, then slowly lifts his head to gaze upon the twin moons hovering in the night sky before whispering, "Yet time is of the essence. There are those who have already begun to piece together the clues laid out before them, and soon our secret will be a secret no longer. But until then, we must remain vigilant..."

ummmmm yeeeahh did you guys not read my post at all? I posted this on THIS thread!! lmao yea think you guys need to take a break from all the speculation. Starting to forget things that have already been brought to your attention >_>

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...800#post899800

[HiirNoivl]

Yeah when have they ever skulked around in shadows and cloaks? I did not believe them to be of the Circle of Knowing at all. Unless they are others more like Urianger's persuasion. Yda couldn't skulk if she tried. Y'shtola maybe a bit more forceful, but she's not the type to actually fiddle with people's heads and suppress knowledge. (Though maybe she could do it if she wanted.)

[Alaltus]

Yeah when have they ever skulked around in shadows and cloaks? I did not believe them to be of the Circle of Knowing at all. Unless they are others more like Urianger's persuasion. Yda couldn't skulk if she tried. Y'shtola maybe a bit more forceful, but she's not the type to actually fiddle with people's heads and suppress knowledge. (Though maybe she could do it if she wanted.)

Seems plausible that they could be Imperials of the VIIth legion, Meteor was their secret at the time and the man is looking up at Dalamud. They could be ancestors of Allag like Nael or they could somehow be Allagans themselves or they could even be worshippers of Bahamut. They could be just about anything really.

Edit:

The only thing I can think of is that Jihli misinterpreted her vision. Perhaps it was The Twelve who were to be summoned and she misinterpreted it somehow. If you guys wanna take a crack at some theories, maybe they'll get me brainstorming. But what rides something shaped like an egg that you could summon and might be referred to as a deity that nobo-

Bahamut?

No... that would just be too depressing.

"Hey, everyone! The Empire is about to invade, but everything is going to be okay; a divine egg will hatch and we'll all be saved..."

"Dalamud has come to save us! everyone gather round the egg and dance to welcome our savior!" *Crack* "Rawr!" *Bahamut burns everything*