CG Midlander

[Nero]

Snip ~ Wall of Text

I just had an Brain Orgasm... O_O);

[KraggyKor]

Until next time!

Can't wait.

I played 1.0 since closed beta till the end, on and off, but never did the primal fights or anything else in the end-game. I don't understand some of the things you wrote about here, but I knew enough already to know there was a depth to XIV's lore .. your narrative here show's it's a lot deeper than I realised.

Excellent post, probably one of the most wonderful 'expositions' I've seen for any game.

/bow
/admire

[Catapult]

7. When did Eorzeans start using the Garlean term of "beastmen" that allowed it to become a perfectly acceptable term attracting absolutely no backlash by the time we start playing the game? And if this term could be so well engrained, why aren't we calling the primals "eikons" with equal willingness? It seems a bit of a contradiction.

It depends on who you ask. The people of Ul’dah, who have branded the beast tribes as an ultimate threat (as their presence infringes on profits) are more likely to side with the Empire’s take on the issue, and resort to racial epithets conveniently provided by the empire via propaganda (fliers from the sky, hired rabble rousers, etc). On the other hand, there are those (like Minfilia and others on the Path, or the Ashcrown Consortium) who seek peaceful relations with the tribes. These are more likely to use terms such as primal over eikon. And then there are those who float about in the middle, and simply haven’t given it much thought—kind of like my grandfather who probably wasn’t what I’d call a ‘racist,’ but ended up using terms (that we now deem racist) throughout his life just because that’s what the people around him used.

I've been pondering over this a little more, Ferne, but I'm only half convinced. A quote for you from Toll of the Warden:

Troxia: If one knows what a beastman wants, negotiation is simple.

That's a Sylph itself referring to members of the tribes as beastmen. A Sylph using a term designed by Garleans to demonise them and promote their own destruction. I don't buy it.

...unless of course the echo is translating meaning directly into my mind and it's actually ME using the term. But then there is this:

Nananoby: You had best not speak that name around the beast tribes, lest you incur their wrath. “Eikon” is a derogatory term used by the Garleans to reflect their belief that the primals are not true gods, but mere beasts which the ignorant tribes mistakenly worship.

And then this:

Hedyn: Welcome back, Thal. Nananoby was kind enough to provide a full account of your dealings with the beast tribes.

"Beast" tribes. It's still bugging me. For people who have the highest level of diplomatic relations with the tribes to be welcome to use such a racist Garlean term, I find it very surprising, cultural slurs or no. It stands in stark contrast to the term "eikon" which supposedly draws much ire from the tribes, yet the term exists in conjunction with the denomination "beast."

So yeah, it's still bugging me.

[Warlock]

~snip~.

Adding to this Minfilia herself tells us that those that receive the extra gift of understanding all beastmen languages makes us one of them to this Nael Van Darnus confirms as he starts calling us Beasts from "United we Stand" till the end ...so Beast Tribe is not a derogatory term

[kimoi]

That's a Sylph itself referring to members of the tribes as beastmen. A Sylph using a term designed by Garleans to demonise them and promote their own destruction. I don't buy it.

I think even the Sylphs would feel superior to the other tribes based on their own non-"beastliness".

[Yenrii]

"Beast" tribes. It's still bugging me. For people who have the highest level of diplomatic relations with the tribes to be welcome to use such a racist Garlean term, I find it very surprising, cultural slurs or no. It stands in stark contrast to the term "eikon" which supposedly draws much ire from the tribes, yet the term exists in conjunction with the denomination "beast."

Perhaps "beast" shouldn't be thrown in the same pile of insults as "eikon"? The tribes could just be extremely defensive of their primals, as they are in the ifrit dialogue posted earlier when they tell us to speak to the lord of the inferno with respect (or lose our tongues!). My thoughts are that they aren't particularly bothered by being called the beast tribes. It could also refer to the fact that they all seem to have pets... though I doubt this was the interpretation SE was going for.

In relation to that, drakes are sooooo cute. I want my mount. ;-;

[Warlock]

Holy Guacamole O.o!


EDIT: Thankyou very much for your time Fernehalwes lots of good juicy information ^_^b
So it was the male that left the gang huh ..i suppose i have to accept defeat on that one lol

[Teakwood]

Ferne you've always been my hero but you are -extra special- my hero now.

(Also Moose for making this thread. <3 you guys.)

[Icecylee]

Ferne, it's nice to know that they have people so into what the team is doing with the world/story working on it, that they'll actually take time out of their more than likely incredibly busy days to answer some of our questions like that. So thanks a ton for that, and you're a pretty awesome dude.

[Fuepepe]

Thank you for posting answers to some of our inquiries. This is definitely making me more excited for ARR. Keep up the great work!