CG Midlander

[Teakwood]

Thanks, Anony Moose! You're my hero. For some reason I thought the Allagan civilisation was around a lot more recently than that and/or that the 6th Umbral Era had begun a lot further back in time than it actually did. (I was going to theorise that Bahamut was responsible for -all- of the Umbral Eras, but no, that doesn't make any sense.)

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

[NoloeTazier]

Thanks, Anony Moose! You're my hero. For some reason I thought the Allagan civilisation was around a lot more recently than that and/or that the 6th Umbral Era had begun a lot further back in time than it actually did. (I was going to theorise that Bahamut was responsible for -all- of the Umbral Eras, but no, that doesn't make any sense.)

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

I'm sure there's so many goodies out there, like what is inside The Crystal Tower, what about Sil'dih, what about that ancient city somewhere in the Blackshroud (I don't think the name was ever said, think they said the trees swallowed it).
Nidhogg is sleeping west of Ishgard in an island, but I'm sure the noise will awaken him. Let's not forget all the places we haven't even been to yet, Mount O'Ghomoro, Paglth'an, Dravnia, Sharlayan, Xelphatol, Gyr Abania, Mazlaya.

[Anonymoose]

It kind of makes me wonder what, if any, -other- ancient sealed-evils-in-a-can are lurking around what caused the first six Umbral Eras? :'D

"Evils-in-a-can" LOL

I'd like to imagine that at least a couple of the eras managed to solve their dilemmas as opposed to just stick a band-aid on it for the Seventh Umbral Era kids to clean up. It's a delicate situation for SE's loremakers - they need to justify leaving the putting off of these evils until now, but explain why we can't do the same thing (lest we end up not actually beating anything as opposed to just stuffing it in a box and shouting "HAH!" at the expensive of our descendants).


Also, I had this idea about the opening video and realized that I missed the most obvious tell of what AG it is - the Guildleve should say so. And it does. And I was wrong. ><

IT'S LIES. IT'S ALL LIES.
WE'VE BEEN HAD, GENTLEMEN.
(Except Catapult, who I just realized was talking about THIS
when he said leve plate, not that he meant the
Resolve stained glass...)

I guess I should maybe relax my hopes for these CG people... it takes place in an alternate and idealized reality, lol. *n* Tell them it's not too late, Ferne! There's still time to make excuses! Say it was a Faction Leve from Limsa offered multi-nationally!

It seems some of this was decided independently of lore, as well - the miqo'te, for instance, has the vertical pupils of a Seeker of the Sun (Keepers of the Moon have round pupils) and yet wears the Keepers of the Moon warpaint; the early lore makes these things sound mutually exclusive, iirc.

[Orophin]

As for how long he's been up there I don't know. It would seem that The Twelve locked him up in the first place, but Dalamud is specifically referred to as "the red moon of Allag," and they have technology allowing for its control.

I'd have to look this up to be sure, but I think the Allagan Empire fell after the Third Astral Era, ushering in the Fourth Umbral.

...

The good news is that the new cutscene didn't get us any new info about The AG Party or the 10 Years Ago Party aside from that they still hang out... though, I'm starting to question if they even have stories or names. I'd be a little disappointed if they are just proxies to represent "us."

As far as the time period when the Allaghan empire was around, I remember the same you said, around the 3rd Astral period. I recorded practically every cutscene I've ever done the last two days prior to shutdown and it was never mentioned in there, but I'm pretty sure I got it from that NPC Erik since he has a bit of interesting lore tidbits.

As far as the CG Midlander mystery, I think he and his party as supposed to represent us adventurers as a whole in being teleported away to be saved to confront Bahamut later on.

NOW - Here are my burning questions:

1. I wonder how they're going to explain what Bahamut has been up to during the time we've been in limbo.

2. What was Atomos' role in 1.0?

3. This question will probably answer itself, but how did the Empire get out of the attack unscathed? Maybe they didn't and are in the same situation as the other citizens of Eorzea; rebuilding their forces and preparing for another conquest. But this again kind of ties back into #1: What's going on with Bahamut that would allow them to still remain an antagonist?

I realize ARR is being designed more or less for people without any knowledge of what happened in 1.0, but it'd still be kind of nice to know some of these things for continuity sake.

[NoloeTazier]

1. I wonder how they're going to explain what Bahamut has been up to during the time we've been in limbo.

2. What was Atomos' role in 1.0?

3. This question will probably answer itself, but how did the Empire get out of the attack unscathed? Maybe they didn't and are in the same situation as the other citizens of Eorzea; rebuilding their forces and preparing for another conquest. But this again kind of ties back into #1: What's going on with Bahamut that would allow them to still remain an antagonist?

I realize ARR is being designed more or less for people without any knowledge of what happened in 1.0, but it'd still be kind of nice to know some of these things for continuity sake.

1.) Thats what I want to know whether its a lore post on lodestone (an after the battle kind of thing) or a CS.

2.) My theory on Atomos was he was trying to balance our plane as much as he/they can. If dimensions affect each other maybe he was just doing his job. But there's no way he was here helping Bahamut as people want to try and speculate. Atomos came after aether was being sent to Dalamud/Bahamut, like he came to fix the problems.

3.) That was only the VIIth Legion, well the remnants of what was left in Mor Dhona. The VIIth was Van Darnus'. There's still a whole lot more Garleans left, but the only knowledge we have been given are about the VIIth and the XIVth, the latter being Gaius Van Baelsar's unit that is occupying Ala Mhigo.

[Anonymoose]

As far as the CG Midlander mystery, I think he and his party as supposed to represent us adventurers as a whole in being teleported away to be saved to confront Bahamut later on.

Yeah; it's starting to look like they don't have any true lore, which makes me kinda bummed. It creates a rift between the game we play and the game we see, if that's the case - people that are supposed to be us but aren't us are doing the things we're supposed to do, lol.

If they were characters with their own stories, we'd be fighting in different places at the same times with the same goals; they'd be the people we're aspiring to be like, and their actions would show what was going on in places that we couldn't be at the time. And, on top of that, we'd be able to meet them sporadically in-game to secure that link between the video and the gameplay.

1. I wonder how they're going to explain what Bahamut has been up to during the time we've been in limbo.

2. What was Atomos' role in 1.0?

3. This question will probably answer itself, but how did the Empire get out of the attack unscathed? Maybe they didn't and are in the same situation as the other citizens of Eorzea; rebuilding their forces and preparing for another conquest. But this again kind of ties back into #1: What's going on with Bahamut that would allow them to still remain an antagonist?

I'm gonna work through this one backwards

#3 - They didn't. They got absolutely owned. The VIIth legion is no more. Gaius, however, didn't come with the XIVth Legion. He said (during 'Livin' on a Prayer') that he would be watching from "on high" to see the outcome of the battle. He came with one airship, stayed far enough away that (even if Dalamud made impact) he'd be able to get away, and as soon as Bahamut showed up, he hauled ass back to Ala Mhigo.

#2 - I'm not very clear on that either, so if we're supposed to know, I'll leave that one to Ferne. There wasn't even much lore about it, and in-game the only time it was referred to by name was the name floating above its head. All we know that is that (1) it came from another world (2) it enjoys consuming aether (3) either it consumed aether at such a pace that the networks flowed backwards (over-aspecting all crystallization in the area) or the aether network was already in chaos due to the in-game events and it just showed up for a free meal, and (4) It's rapid consumption of this world's life energy tore a hole to The Void through which all manner of beasts that live there were able to get through. (5) I don't believe that Atomos himself is Voidsent, as he was sustained in corporeal form by aether, and until now we've understood Voidsent as crossing over, not materializing due to our life energy. (though, this, too, could be the case depending on what SE has to say in the future; it's up in the air).

#1 - We'll know sooner or later, but for now I'll assume that he destroyed a bunch, took a rest, probably retired for a bit to the area of the map known as Wyrmking's Perch to loom over us like some sort of henge to raise anxiety and make ARR feel unsafe.

You dont want me taking time theory...believe me..

I stick to my original assessment on theories - we're not trying to find out something we can say really happened, we're just trying to come up with as many things as possible that fit all of the constraints on the story that are given by SE. The day you accept literally anything that isn't explicitly stated in the story as a fact is the day that SE adds something directly contradicting one small point that brings down your whole house of cards.

We're trying to understand all of the information SE gives us in its proper context; so by coming up with theories that (will never not) have errors, we correct those errors and thus correct our improper understanding of the game. If we come up with something that later comes to fruition, that's a fun little win, but it's not the goal.

Think of it like a puzzle that you only have 1/10th of the pieces to so far. We're not trying to make our own pieces, we're just trying to make sure the pieces we do have are put in the right place.

We end up in the Localization forum when no one can arrive at a definitive conclusion for a past event that seems to be case closed - because that means that there's a chance that localization didn't go exactly as intended (i.e. too vague, a wrong word, no discernible pronunciation or syntax - etc.)

One should do their best not to end up here with easily answered queries or questions that shouldn't have answers yet; which I admit is a territory we've wandered into in this thread while we wait for Ferne to get back to us on information from the introduction cinematic, which doesn't seem to be gospel at this point.

One of my biggest questions...WHERE WAS URIANGER?

... ... Good question.

I'd always pinned him as being the Paragon that went to the beast tribes. Maybe he was slinkin' off to do ... slinky things.

[Irana]

You dont want me taking time theory...believe me..

But anyways....if we (you/me and our companions) survived a fire blast from an airship that exploded in a humongous ball of exploding fire... Im pretty sute Hyur dude can survive the fall XD

[Teakwood]

I'm sceptical about Atomos being an overtly antagonistic force; at worst, his presence is like an opportunistic infection taking advantage of a plane of existence whose crystals have been weakened with a concomitant lapse in the structure of its local reality. Eorzea's had a fairly cosy relationship with the Void for a while now, viz. the snurbles and their less photogenic brethen tromping all about the place.

Sadly, we probably won't know what the deal is with Bahamut -or- Atomos lore-wise until 2.0 releases. Hopefully there'll be a handy NPC nearby to explain what we missed in the five years we were somewhere south of accepted reality (assuming that we did indeed get sent elsewhere and elsewhen by Louisoix's ultimate sacrifice.) Doesn't mean it's not fun to speculate, though!

[Zenaku]

Seeing all the tattoo people praying to a stone maybe they really are demigods and there was praying to there parents. It make sense how louisoix can summon the power of the twelve to remake dalamud around bahamut.

[NoloeTazier]

I'd always pinned him as being the Paragon that went to the beast tribes. Maybe he was slinkin' off to do ... slinky things.

I kinda thought that too, Louisoix knew a lot about the Primals, Urianger was basically Louisoix's right hand man so he could have easily passed on the information to the beastmen. I mean after all npc's were talking about a wandering Archon telling tales, maybe the reason he was wandering around was because he was spreading the stories and truths to the beastmen. Louisoix could never be seen consorting with the beastmen because he's suppose to be on "our" side.

Seeing all the tattoo people praying to a stone maybe they really are demigods and there was praying to there parents. It make sense how louisoix can summon the power of the twelve to remake dalamud around bahamut.

Yeah, I'm still for the The Twelve 'altars' being nothing more than an ancient sealing weapon. According to lore The Twelve were here long before the Allgans so I can't say for a fact that they didn't play any part. But I still view the 12 stones as nothing more than technology built by the Allgan Empire to seal Bahamut after he was unleashed (summoned perhaps by Dravnians who worship him?). The Crystal Tower is a tomb of an Allgan king and one of the 'altars' is associated with him, so I just can't see that being in any way a divine intervention. It would make sense for those descendants of the Allgans to pass down this knowledge, keep it in a sacred place like Sharlayan. An easy way to make it so people won't disturb the 'altars' name them after The Twelve and people would be more than willing to protect them.