Regional Segregation

[Nero]

Those also appear to be bolted to the floor!

Most of the time they are. XD At least in the Companies i work. But yeah, that is why i assume they stay in Japan. SE never said they would move it in first place and you need very good reasons to take the costs to do it.

[Molly_Millions]

Most of the time they are. XD At least in the Companies i work. But yeah, that is why i assume they stay in Japan. SE never said they would move it in first place and you need very good reasons to take the costs to do it.

They don't have to physically move the server to move the world. They can just transfer the data. Isn't that what today's final save is for?

[Nero]

This makes no sense? Why would you assume because the server is a big ass machine in Japan that it will stay in Japan and that the server itself has anything to do with it?

Simple: Because moving it ( physically or digital ) = Cost for the Company. How does that not make sense?

They will likely use a branded data center like Sony and thus you wouldn't move hardware, sony has the hardware, all they need is the digital data which can be sent over by easier means in several different ways.

COULD.. this is the point. What people do in this Thread; They assume right away that the current Server/data will be moved. Moving it, costs money and it does not matter if you "just" do it the digital way or actually physically move the server. And assumptions again about the way how they would do it. SE did not say a single word that they would move currently existing servers, that is what i go with until SE says something about it. There is such no way to assume that the Servers/Data will be moved back and forth, without having a reason to do it.

I dont say it is impossible. I allready stated that SE could do it, but why would they?

[Molly_Millions]

Simple: Because moving it ( physically or digital ) = Cost for the Company. How does that not make sense?



COULD.. this is the point. What people do in this Thread; They assume right away that the current Server/data will be moved. Moving it, costs money and it does not matter if you "just" do it the digital way or actually physically move the server. And assumptions again about the way how they would do it. SE did not say a single word that they would move currently existing servers, that is what i go with until SE says something about it. There is such no way to assume that the Servers/Data will be moved back and forth, without having a reason to do it.

I dont say it is impossible. I allready stated that SE could do it, but why would they?

The better question is why wouldn't they? Or really, why would they create data centers in the US and EU to fix a problem the current player base complains about, but turn around and not let us transfer to the new data centers?

TBH, the only question in my mind is; which worlds will be located in which region?

[Jaimie]

The better question is why wouldn't they? Or really, why would they create data centers in the US and EU to fix a problem the current player base complains about, but turn around and not let us transfer to the new data centers?

TBH, the only question in my mind is; which worlds will be located in which region?

The costs of putting a new "box" in a different region are minimal. The monthly costs to maintain it are probably a lot more.

As for what servers should go where. Simple all the servers with MY accounts on em, go to NA. Except Sargantas, that server can get tossed in the ocean as far as I'm concerned.

[viion]

Simple: Because moving it ( physically or digital ) = Cost for the Company. How does that not make sense?

COULD.. this is the point. What people do in this Thread; They assume right away that the current Server/data will be moved. Moving it, costs money and it does not matter if you "just" do it the digital way or actually physically move the server. And assumptions again about the way how they would do it. SE did not say a single word that they would move currently existing servers, that is what i go with until SE says something about it. There is such no way to assume that the Servers/Data will be moved back and forth, without having a reason to do it.

I don't say it is impossible. I already stated that SE could do it, but why would they?

You are assuming they won't and then complain other people are assuming they will? :/

Moving data digitally does not cost a lot, companies do it all the time. Data from all over gets moved around, we're not in the stone age, moving the contents of character data is not like going to the moon...

Like Molly stated, why would they make so much effort to make data centers if only the new people get access to that?

The thing is you're getting so angry about "until SE says something", They have NOT said they will NOT move the servers. YOU are assuming this. Just like we are assuming they WILL, we "think" that, just like you "think" they wont.

Don't complain about others thinking something and assuming something when you're doing the exact same thing yourself. And Se have not mentioned anything regarding existing characters, nor for or against the argument.

[Nero]

You are assuming they won't and then complain other people are assuming they will? :/

Eh? I said i assume that they wont move it, since they didnt say a word on it. I just made clear that thinking they would move it in first place is also assuming things.

Moving data digitally does not cost a lot, companies do it all the time. Data from all over gets moved around, we're not in the stone age, moving the contents of character data is not like going to the moon...

Moving digital Data can be expensive as moving the Hardware itself or even more expensive. That depends on different factors.. you should know, since you are a programmer. Thinking that moving digital data is always cheap is straight wrong.

Like Molly stated, why would they make so much effort to make data centers if only the new people get access to that?

Existing people will get access to it, at least via World Transfer. World Transer = Money income for the Company btw.

The thing is you're getting so angry about "until SE says something", They have NOT said they will NOT move the servers. YOU are assuming this.

1. i am not angry, why would i?
2. i said i am assuming that they dont move it.
3. what is your point?

Just like we are assuming they WILL, we "think" that, just like you "think" they wont.

Correct.

Don't complain about others thinking something and assuming something when you're doing the exact same thing yourself. And Se have not mentioned anything regarding existing characters, nor for or against the argument.

Where did i ever complain about something? I were just pointing out, like i stated above, that the whole Topic is just assuming that the Servers would move. It is possible, i never said it is not.

[Molly_Millions]

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I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

You've got to think about it logically. There is absolutely no reason to keep all of the current worlds in Japan, while there are plenty of good reasons not to. That coupled with the fact that they are already transferring the data to new servers. Moving the data across the room or across the world is hardly different from a technological standpoint.

[Nero]

I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

Hmm.. true, totally forgot about that Servers will possible stay up.

[viion]

Eh? I said i assume that they wont move it, since they didnt say a word on it. I just made clear that thinking they would move it in first place is also assuming things.

Moving digital Data can be expensive as moving the Hardware itself or even more expensive. That depends on different factors.. you should know, since you are a programmer. Thinking that moving digital data is always cheap is straight wrong.

Existing people will get access to it, at least via World Transfer. World Transer = Money income for the Company btw.

1. i am not angry, why would i?
2. i said i am assuming that they dont move it.
3. what is your point?

Correct.

Where did i ever complain about something? I were just pointing out, like i stated above, that the whole Topic is just assuming that the Servers would move. It is possible, i never said it is not.

I am sorry but you made it very clear you were not assuming in your first post, to even say people are lazy to not research:

I dont have to prove anything. If people are to lazy to research.

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Welcome to the NA-Forums.

To clarify this again:

- Existing Players will not be able to move to the new Servers.
- Existing Players will have an initial choice of switching to a different ( currently existing ) Server.
- NEW Servers will be the ones which are located in regional Data-Center ( Japan, Europe or North America ).
- OLD Servers will be still in Japan, they are not going anywhere.

People ask if you can switch as a current Player to a "regional server", the answer is: No you can not, since the old Servers will be still in Japan. So you are not able to switch to a regional Server and the OLD Servers will remain International. SE will introduce a World Transfer similiar to FFXI at a certain Time ( Which will be most likely based on stability on the Economy on the new Server ). What's so hard to understand about this?

Of course SE could go and bring some of the Current Servers to the Data-Centers around the Globe, but that we dont know.

You seemed very confident to know about what is going on.

No, moving the data will never be more expensive as moving the Data + Hardware because it is just that, its cost of moving data plus the cost of moving the hardware, Even if moving the data is more costly than hardware, you always need that data, you cant just move the hardware alone in this situation because you need that data. So it is always going to be cheaper to just send the data. Which they wouldn't do because they would not ship over hardware they can already get on that server.

I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

You've got to think about it logically. There is absolutely no reason to keep all of the current worlds in Japan, while there are plenty of good reasons not to. That coupled with the fact that they are already transferring the data to new servers. Moving the data across the room or across the world is hardly different from a technological standpoint.

Molly, I understand what you mean by your statement about servers staying up but it is still irrelevant i think, simply due to the fact that the data we will be using from nov1st onwards is not the data we will be using in ARR, that data is not being transferred. ONLY the data that is saved in 1 hour is being moved. Weather the game stays up for another 2 months or not means nothing because the data for those 2 months is separate.

They are spending this 2 hours to create a copy of the current data at that point. That is the whole point of this "your data will not update after nov 1st" because they have it already from that point.

They do a copy, not a cut.

You can be happily playing on US server now with your character but when ARR comes in couple months, your data that was saved today may have gone through those futuristic space tubes to US or EU :P