Translation Corner

[Abriael]

It's unfortunate when someone uses the knowledge of a language to try and further his personal agenda.

The thread about death penalty is not even nearly split 50/50. The ones arguing for harsh death penalties like xp/sp ones are a very small minority compared to the bulk of the thread.

Personally, I would not advise to trust the "translation" from someone that has expressed a very adamant position for one side of the argument, as this thread clearly shows. And as I did the same, I would not advise blindly trusting me as well.
I will advise instead to read the Japanese forum for yourself. Unfortunately it's not as effective if you don't know the language, but there are workarounds.
Google translator isn't nearly perfect, but it makes it quite easier to at least understand the meaning behind posts for non-japanese speakers.

Here's the translation of the death penalty thread accessible directly: Link

And if you're interested in other threads, you can access the whole autotranslated forum here: link

You can browse the forum normally as you would browse the english one. The only restricted part is that you won't be able to post (as you can't login).

The translation isn't perfect, but it will sure be more precise and complete than an extremely brief summary given by someone that may use it to further his arguments.

[Anathiel]

did you look at their development in progress thread? it actually explains what the grand companies are.

EDIT: oh, I guess ours do too now.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

did you look at their development in progress thread? it actually explains what the grand companies are.

EDIT: oh, I guess ours do too now.

APRIL FOOLS!!!

[Kaedan]

It's unfortunate when someone uses the knowledge of a language to try and further his personal agenda.

I am highly offended by this and abhorred that you would have the audacity to make such a petty and vitriol filled post.

Yes, I am for a death penalty. But that has nothing to do with the summary translation I gave in my original post. I gave an objective summary of things that were said in about 10 pages of the thread that I read.

You claim that the "majority" people in that thread are against a death penalty, and that the only reason there are a lot of posts by people who are for a death penalty is because they are a vocal minority. I didn't make a claim whatsoever. What I did say is: "They seem to be just as polarized as us. There are players that want no Death penalty, some that are fine with Yoshi's idea (this group is the smallest it seems though, which I found interesting), players that want SP penalties, players that want Anima penalties."

So get off the hate horse man. I'm offering to use my skills to help other people communicate and clear up questions they may have, and because you have some sort of vendetta against me for liking a death penalty, you create false charges and slander my character. That is beyond pathetic and I'm appalled that anyone would stoop so low.


EDIT: You will also notice that I've welcomed others to help as well if people have questions. So if I was just going to use this to further an agenda, why would I make false claims that would be spotted by others who can speak both languages. Again, you are being petty and pathetic.

[Abriael]

I am highly offended by this and abhorred that you would have the audacity to make such a petty and vitriol filled post.

You're very easily offended and "abhorred"
Especially considered the aggressiveness of your posts against people that argue against your opinions.

Yes, I am for a death penalty. But that has nothing to do with the summary translation I gave in my original post. I gave an objective summary of things that were said in about 10 pages of the thread that I read.

You claim that the "majority" people in that thread are against a death penalty, and that the only reason there are a lot of posts by people who are for a death penalty is because they are a vocal minority. I didn't make a claim whatsoever. What I did say is: "They seem to be just as polarized as us. There are players that want no Death penalty, some that are fine with Yoshi's idea (this group is the smallest it seems though, which I found interesting), players that want SP penalties, players that want Anima penalties."

The sole fact that you state the division is even near to 50/50 shows me that you're reading quite selectively, ergo your summary seems quite biased to me.

Mind you, people aren't split 50/50 even here, so the selectiveness is even more evident.

So get off the hate horse man. I'm offering to use my skills to help other people communicate and clear up questions they may have, and because you have some sort of vendetta against me for liking a death penalty, you create false charges and slander my character. That is beyond pathetic and I'm appalled that anyone would stoop so low.

Slander? I simply gave people a tool to read by themselves.
You say "trust me!"
I say "trust your own eyes".

It's that simple.

[Kaedan]

The sole fact that you state the division is even near to 50/50 shows me that you're reading quite selectively, ergo your summary seems quite biased to me.

Mind you, people aren't split 50/50 even here, so the selectiveness is even more evident.

A) Tell me where I said they are split 50/50 in the OP on this thread. Oh that's right... I didn't.
B) If people aren't split 50/50 on the issue, then give us a number. You claim to know that it isn't split 50/50, so since you've obviously counted up every unique post you can tell us how many people are for and against a penalty.

Slander? I simply gave people a tool to read by themselves.
You say "trust me!"
I say "trust your own eyes".

It's that simple.

You accused me of lying. You accused me of making false statements to further my own agenda. I did nothing of the sort. That is slander (possibly libel in this case, since it's written).

Get a room you two

I think its a great thread, we all are curious about the feedback, so cool down guys.

I'm not the one telling lies about him and I had to defend myself from his hateful, false accusations.

[Abriael]

A) Tell me where I said they are split 50/50 in the OP on this thread. Oh that's right... I didn't.
B) If people aren't split 50/50 on the issue, then give us a number. You claim to know that it isn't split 50/50, so since you've obviously counted up every unique post you can tell us how many people are for and against a penalty.

You told it in quite a few occasions in other threads, and this one you made quite an active effort to make the posters look very much split on the issue.

I would say less than 10% of the posters are arguing in favor of an experience-based penalty.
That's not having "a lot of people on both sides", that's having a few people overwhelmed by the majority.

You accused me of lying. You accused me of making false statements to further my own agenda. I did nothing of the sort. That is slander (possibly libel in this case, since it's written).

First of all, there's quite a difference between lying and being biased. And considering how spitefully aggressive you've been about this issue (and even here, mind you), yes, you are biased.
I might be too, that's why I encouraged people to look for themselves.

I'm not the one telling lies about him and I had to defend myself from his hateful, false accusations.

Hyperbole much?
Should I quote some of your spiteful responses in other threads? Maybe you should think about how you post yourself before accusing others to "hate" you

And Kaedan is right, in this case. He freely invited anyone to post, which hardly makes him sound like he's trying to be a lone hero. Plus, if you have used the google translator, you should know the translation it gives is hardly understandable by a fledgling Japanese student, much less someone with no idea. I look up stuff sometimes, but I don't have the time to struggle with every post with my beginner skills. Help from anybody with translation is appreciated from me.

Unfortunately with the way people are in this forum, radically biased towards their opinion, I would strongly discourage believing anything but your own eyes on this kind of reporting. Even if you can grasp only the general meaning of a post, it'll still be more complete and precise than having someone summarize a whole thread for you in a few lines. You're entirely free to chose the option you prefer too. I gave an alternative that I find more effective and unbiased.