Translation Corner

[Randis]

Get a room you two

I think its a great thread, we all are curious about the feedback, so cool down guys.

[Anathiel]

did you read the entire 60 pages of the landscape is too generic thread? they are REALLY pissed about that lol. some of those make our rants look tame.

[Zkieve]

@kaedan ;
Is what you get when you try to help others in forums .Especially from the white knight team.I had enough of that to not make a guide in my life ever again.

[Chezen]

@ Abriael

I tend to agree with most of the points you make in your posts, but I really fail to understand why you always seem to have to pick a fight with everyone.

Just sayin', as they say.

And Kaedan is right, in this case. He freely invited anyone to post, which hardly makes him sound like he's trying to be a lone hero. Plus, if you have used the google translator, you should know the translation it gives is hardly understandable by a fledgling Japanese student, much less someone with no idea. I look up stuff sometimes, but I don't have the time to struggle with every post with my beginner skills. Help from anybody with translation is appreciated from me.

[Kaedan]

I'm gonna try and make some translation notes as I go here:

-There are a lot of people on both sides.
-A few people suggest having a "death bonus" instead of a death penalty. The whole "positive reinforcement" thing.
-People have concerns over the "zombie attacking" (just keep throwing bodies at mobs until you kill them)
-A couple people say that SE shouldn't do everything the players say, and should make their own decisions (one of these guys was replying to a poster who was for the death penalty and specifically brought up the lack of "risk" and how that trivializes the game).
-Many players mention losing Anima upon death as an option.
-One guy says they should make a poll regarding death penalty.

Ok, so I went over about 10 pages of the 65 page thread (few at the beginning, few in middle, few at end). They seem to be just as polarized as us. There are players that want no Death penalty, some that are fine with Yoshi's idea (this group is the smallest it seems though, which I found interesting), players that want SP penalties, players that want Anima penalties.

They bring up the same reasons too: lack of "fun" of Death penalty, lack of "risk" without a penalty, the merits of having it be losing a bonus rather than losing something you already have, etc.

So yeah, that subject seems to be just as sore over there as here.

Tell me where I'm being radically biased.

Every one of my points is a fact. I have made no subjective judgements beyond I felt "that they were polarized, just like us". You claim to speak Japanese... if I am lying, tell me where.

You won't, because I'm not actually being biased at all. You are doing this because you have a personal vendetta against me for some reason.

I have used google translate in the past. I've found that it generally produces more nonsense than anything else. I've even put in simple words and phrases it's managed to screw up. It is not reliable.

Anyone who spots errors in my translations is free to correct me, and I will do the same. But you're not even doing that. You are making up lies.

[Abriael]

Tell me where I'm being radically biased.

Every one of my points is a fact. I have made no subjective judgements beyond I felt "that they were polarized, just like us". You claim to speak Japanese... if I am lying, tell me where.

You talk about polarization, which means two distinct and extreme groups of equal or near-equal mass, and you talk about a lot of people on each side. There's actually very little polarization, with very little people arguing for harsh death penalties like xp/sp ones (and most of those postig multiple times). Most people argue for lighter death pealties and agree partially or completely with Yoshida's proposal.
Besides a few proposals that are quite on the wild/covoluted side, and have little application, that's pretty much all there's to it.

You won't, because I'm not actually being biased at all. You are doing this because you have a personal vendetta against me for some reason.

I'm sure you're aware of the fact that you saying that dosn't necessarily make it true.

I have used google translate in the past. I've found that it generally produces more nonsense than anything else. I've even put in simple words and phrases it's managed to screw up. It is not reliable.

So basically you're saying "listen to me! Don't look with your own eyes!". Are you perchance afraid that people could think that your summary isn't exactly accurate if given the tools to check?
Well, sorry, I'd rather them see with their own eyes than to blindly believe you (or me), so I presented them the best tool available.

Google translator is unreliable only to look for the smaller details. It's quite reliable to understand the general meaning of a text.

[Kaedan]

You talk about polarization, which means two distinct and extreme groups of equal mass, and you talk about a lot of people on each side. There's actually very little polarization, with very little people arguing for harsh death penalties like xp/sp ones (and most of those postig multiple times). Most people argue for lighter death pealties and agree partially or completely with Yoshida's standpoint.

You're getting awfully specific about things I was very general about.

"Polarized" simply means to have opposing factions. They are polarized on the issue... there are many people who posted that want a death penalty and many who posted that don't. Notice how I never said anything about harsh penalties vs. lighter penalties... that's you putting words into my mouth.

So what it's really coming down to here, is you are making up your own definitions. You are separating the people who want heavy and light death penalties and adding the "light penalty" people to your side. You are using semantics to make it seem like I am being biased because you don't like me.

So basically you're saying "listen to me! Don't look with your own eyes!". Are you perchance afraid that people could think that your summary isn't exactly accurate?

Google translator is unreliable only to look for the smaller details. It's quite reliable to understand the general meaning of a text.

Nope, that's what you're trying to make me say. I'm merely pointing out the fact that Google translate is known for being very inaccurate.

I have absolutely no problem with people using it to try and read the Japanese threads. And actually, it might even help facilitate questions being asked. If someone decided to use Google translate, but the result they were getting was nonsensical or difficult to understand, they can ask about it here and get a more accurate translation.

[Abriael]

"Polarized" simply means to have opposing factions.

"extreme opposing factions" is the definition. There arent really extreme opposing factions, as the vast majority of the posters of the theard don't have an extreme position as well. The ones wanting harsh penalties or no penalties at all are a very, very small number, compared to the bulk.

It seems that you're the one making your own definition.

You are separating the people who want heavy and light death penalties and adding the "light penalty" people to your side.

People wanting light penalty *are* on my side, because I want a light penalty.

You are using semantics to make it seem like I am being biased because you don't like me.

You sure like playing the victim. Sorry mate, I don't care that much about you. I care about avoiding people being misled, hence I gave people tools so that they can protect themselves from that, whoever it comes from.

Nope, that's what you're trying to make me say. I'm merely pointing out the fact that Google translate is known for being very inaccurate.

And a personal summary of a few lines on a thread counting several pages would be more accurate?

[Dreamer]

"extreme opposing factions" is the definition. There arent really extreme opposing factions, as the vast majority of the posters of the theard don't have an extreme position as well. The ones wanting harsh penalties or no penalties at all are a very, very small number, compared to the bulk.

It seems that you're the one making your own definition.

People wanting light penalty *are* on my side, because I want a light penalty.

You sure like playing the victim. Sorry mate, I don't care that much about you. I care about avoiding people being misled, hence I gave people tools so that they can protect themselves from that, whoever it comes from.

And a personal summary of a few lines on a thread counting several pages would be more accurate?

Straight from Wikipedia: In politics, polarization (or polarization) is the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes. It can also refer to when the extreme factions of a political party gain dominance in a party. In either case moderate voices often lose power and influence as a consequence.

This is pretty much what he meant. Polarization is often used to refer to a split (like the poles), in general usage it really only means the positions are at extreme ends of the spectrum. The reset of his comment puts into into context that he didn't mean just two groups, pro-penalty and anti-penalty. The two of you should just leave each other alone and focus more on debate points, rather than each other.

As far as the link for the google translation goes...thank you for providing it, but I've tried using in the past (and I tried that link as well), but it's nearly unusable. I'm not surprised - I can't imagine that a direct latin-based to non-latin-based language translation is ever going to work well without human intervention to decipher context.

[Anathiel]

Lmao wow threatened with a law suit, in the army we just beat each other up. Lol, I'm enjoyinh this a lot. Continue on and let me enjoy this