What XIV can take from XI to make it better

[Ruisu]

The title should be What XIV can take from other games to make it better.

It's taking plenty of ideas from other games, though. It doesn't hurt to take more from it's predecessor. FFXII is the wonderful game it was because it was heavily influenced by FFXI. But it left out a lot of the bad parts of XI. I don't see why XIV can't do the same. People just like suggesting bad ideas from XI for the most part, like gear swap.

[strallaalaa]

It's taking plenty of ideas from other games, though. It doesn't hurt to take more from it's predecessor. FFXII is the wonderful game it was because it was heavily influenced by FFXI. But it left out a lot of the bad parts of XI. I don't see why XIV can't do the same. People just like suggesting bad ideas from XI for the most part, like gear swap.

the consept of gear swapping is simple, just any new system that allows for gearing your class with every piece of gear it has and being able to use it with ease. how is that a bad thing? it's not, all the bad things people complain about can be fixed and not used in the new system for it. only thing you truely can complain about is i'm too lazy to farm 10items (no space taken stop bitching bout that too) from 10 nm/dungeons/endgame events. that is only valid complaint. other then that all complaints can be fixed. it's 2012, it doesn't necessarily need to be gear that swaps, it doesn't need to blink it doesn't need take up space. it doesn't need to ..hmm what else was bitched about? lol. but this is a totally different thread all together. but it's not such a horrid idea if you get you one track mind out the gutters. it totally adds more content, more gathering, more entertainment for 1class.

[TomCarroll]

the consept of gear swapping is simple, just any new system that allows for gearing your class with every piece of gear it has and being able to use it with ease. how is that a bad thing? it's not, all the bad things people complain about can be fixed and not used in the new system for it. only thing you truely can complain about is i'm too lazy to farm 10items (no space taken stop bitching bout that too) from 10 nm/dungeons/endgame events. that is only valid complaint. other then that all complaints can be fixed. it's 2012, it doesn't necessarily need to be gear that swaps, it doesn't need to blink it doesn't need take up space. it doesn't need to ..hmm what else was bitched about? lol. but this is a totally different thread all together. but it's not such a horrid idea if you get you one track mind out the gutters. it totally adds more content, more gathering, more entertainment for 1class.

Wait... You're saying that the necessity of gear swapping was a good thing?

You do realize that the development team had never designed the game to utilize that feature in the same way players had figured out how to use it. After a while, it became 100% necessary because the development team had to up the difficulty on many encounters to accommodate.

It worked in XI, but the style of game that ARR apparently is becoming, will not be conducive of a gear-swapping system like you saw in XI.

[Elexia]

It's taking plenty of ideas from other games, though. It doesn't hurt to take more from it's predecessor. FFXII is the wonderful game it was because it was heavily influenced by FFXI. But it left out a lot of the bad parts of XI. I don't see why XIV can't do the same. People just like suggesting bad ideas from XI for the most part, like gear swap.

No, it's more like any ideas from FFXI is seen as "bad ideas" by the usual people. "They should take the assault system and make a few changes here and there"..."Nope! BAD IDEA GO BACK TO FFXI!" ... "Ok they should take Nyzul Isle's style for Crystal Tower since we know it's being released in parts"..."Go back to FFXI if you want Nyzul isle" and so on.

People proven, as Andrien said, that it's perfectly ok to take ideas let alone directly copy other MMOs as long as it's not XI. This is the only MMO community that'd oppose a company learning from or building off of one of their own MMOs.

[Zantetsuken]

No, it's more like any ideas from FFXI is seen as "bad ideas" by the usual people. "They should take the assault system and make a few changes here and there"..."Nope! BAD IDEA GO BACK TO FFXI!" ... "Ok they should take Nyzul Isle's style for Crystal Tower since we know it's being released in parts"..."Go back to FFXI if you want Nyzul isle" and so on.

People proven, as Andrien said, that it's perfectly ok to take ideas let alone directly copy other MMOs as long as it's not XI. This is the only MMO community that'd oppose a company learning from or building off of one of their own MMOs.

I can see how one might think that this forum is full of anti-FFXI players, but I don't think that's the case.

Much of the 'FFXI hate' might just be former FFXI players that just don't want certain aspects of the game brought into this one - for one reason or another.

For example, I've posted opposition to bringing back Maat/Sky/Galka Tails/etc. Not because I hated them, but because they belong in FFXI, not this game.

At a cursory glance, people might look at those posts and think "Here's another FFXI hater", but FFXI is the best MMO I've played and I spent 8 years with it.

I'd like to think that most of the posts that seem to hate FFXI are actually just against specific ideas rather than the game itself.

My guess is that the true anti-FFXI people are a very small (yet somewhat vocal) minority.

[Elexia]

My guess is that the true anti-FFXI people are a very small (yet somewhat vocal) minority.

Which is sadly the group that gets heard the most.

[Ruisu]

I'd like to think that most of the posts that seem to hate FFXI are actually just against specific ideas rather than the game itself.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Gramul]

I can see how one might think that this forum is full of anti-FFXI players, but I don't think that's the case.

Much of the 'FFXI hate' might just be former FFXI players that just don't want certain aspects of the game brought into this one - for one reason or another.

For example, I've posted opposition to bringing back Maat/Sky/Galka Tails/etc. Not because I hated them, but because they belong in FFXI, not this game.

At a cursory glance, people might look at those posts and think "Here's another FFXI hater", but FFXI is the best MMO I've played and I spent 8 years with it.

I'd like to think that most of the posts that seem to hate FFXI are actually just against specific ideas rather than the game itself.

My guess is that the true anti-FFXI people are a very small (yet somewhat vocal) minority.

And the opposite is true for FFXI "fanboys".

A lot of the desire for FFXI stems from players that really loved parts of it and want to see some of those concepts reflected here.

Some people really like the concept of roadblocks to progression, a zone dedicated to endgame activity, or stronger variation in races. Not because they hate how this game is, but because they feel it could embellish this games overall experience.

So it's really nauseating to see posts that just brush it off as 'oh just another FFXI-2 fan. Why don't you go back and play XI you love it so much.' And pretty much ignore the entire point.

It's not like people want this game to just be XI with a higher polycount. And the people that do are few and far between.

[Ruisu]

It's not like people want this game to just be XI with a higher polycount. And the people that do are few and far between.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I know a bunch of XI players personally that don't want this to become FFXI-2. You can look into earlier posts in this thread and see that people want things from XI that make absolutely no sense being in this game considering they play differently from each other.

[Gramul]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I know a bunch of XI players personally that don't want this to become FFXI-2. You can look into earlier posts in this thread and see that people want things from XI that make absolutely no sense being in this game considering they play differently from each other.

And some people refuse to play with the notion of certain concepts from XI coming into play, in spite of it having no negative effect on the new system.