What XIV can take from XI to make it better

[Ingolf]

On topic, Flame me all you like for this but XI did a lot of things right when it came to giving "casuals' and "hardcore" players something out of the same game. Take dynamis for example was a good blend of something both groups of people could get something out of, armor was a easy grab at 3hrs max twice a week while the hardcore had the weapons to work long term on all out of the same event. I do not want a repeat of the same old same old but I do wish they would take a serious look at the content from XI that appealed to so many people to keep doing it, and figure out why people did it. Then of course bring us something new with those reasons in mind.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. Whilst a lot of people have already gone nuts saying "WE DON'T WANT XI-2 RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" You can take ideas from another successful MMO without cloning it entirely. Look at the most favoured content in XI and create it for XIV with it's own spin. Sure you need some fresh ideas too, but I'd have no problem if they had content similar to let's say; Salvage in XIV.

[Ramesses]

So doing a complete 180 with an MMO isn't worthy of respect? An MMO actually having another shot is normal? Yoshida has done an impressive amount of work, whether or not you actually agree with the direction he's going with the game. I'm not saying to praise him, but you are constantly saying shit like "YOSHIDA IS RUINING THE GAME." "YOSHIDA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING." "YOSHIDA IS WHAT WILL KILL FFXIV."

Also learn some goddamn sentence structure.

Well said Ruisu... this Maxthunder chap seriously needs to learn some simple sentence structure. A lack of this skill speaks volumes about the level of cognitive processing.

What I also find intriguing is how he's got a dismissive opinion for several aspects of the game dynamics even though he only just started playing about a year ago... odd. There are several people on here who have been playing since closed beta 2010 and have helped this game evolve with a variety of solid suggestions...

But this guy? Almost all his posts for the past few weeks have been nothing short of abrasive towards FFXIV in general... conveniently forgetting that people only take criticizers seriously ONLY if they offer viable solutions. You will do very well to remember this in real life... trust me.

Listen Max, if you don't like the game, leave and go play something else... period. Quit the attention-grabbing negative commentary at every available opportunity; and as the FFXIV script writers would say: its just grindingly pedestrian.

Yoshi has done a phenomenal feat in sustaining this game, leading 250+ staff members (and their afflliates) to success and earned himself the respect of both his peers in the industry and players worldwide... I repeat... worldwide.

To top it off, he obviously has enough of a brilliant strategy in mind to be able to receive the full backing of President CEO Yoichi Wada.

Until you can equal these accomplishments or do better, hold your peace... from where I come from, thats a very powerful piece of advice. Seriously.

[Matsume]

Too bad the world is going to end before ARR has the chance to launch. All this good advice gone to waste...

[Halvaard_Vidan]

What I'd like to see is Tiered Endgame Systems.
Sky, Sea, ZNM, Magians & Abyssea NMs

These are all examples of events that took time, were generally fun, rewarding and some had cool areas connected to them.

[strallaalaa]

What I'd like to see is Tiered Endgame Systems.
Sky, Sea, ZNM, Magians & Abyssea NMs

These are all examples of events that took time, were generally fun, rewarding and some had cool areas connected to them.

this is pretty much the main and only thing that i would need to make me happy too, wtf happen to mmo's. pvp mmo's all are getting into full server, faction on faction stuff ..even the cheesy mmo's like gw2, but pve mmo's that are supposed to be A+ titles can't give us more the 16people battles? it's bs, but i truely hope to see full linkshell events in ffxiv or at least something in the 30+ people runs and not stupid open world events i mean real events that last 2-3hrs and need coordination like the above mentioned. not stuff that 30people show up to and is made dumbed down for just that reason.

[Reyko]

The game is still running. Whether you like it or not in its current state is a matter of opinion. The only things that have truly changed wildly are the speed of leveling and the currently popular endgame events. The "old" XI is a relic of the past that should stay in the past. Spending multiple hours a day doing absolutely nothing while you wait for an HNM to pop, events that take several hours to complete, and multi-day reentry timers are all things I don't miss one single bit. Slow leveling works the first time you play but after that, most people just want to get it over with. You're totally welcome to disagree with these points, as it isn't really important for the crux of the point I'm trying to make.

Regardless of how much you love XI or loved it sometime in the past, this game is not and should not try to be just like the current or the past XI. It should try to be like its own thing- naturally some ideas may be borrowed from other games here and there, to strengthen the "FF feel" - but there is no point in even making a new game if it's not really going to be any different from the only other game in its category.

Every MMO changes over time, and everyone has nostalgia they'd like to live again- This is why it's so difficult to accept change- but if XI or XIV were frozen in that ideal state that everyone loved, they would have eventually gotten bored with that. If you don't change things and introduce new stuff, any MMO will die a slow death.

I dont think anyone is saying clone XI. but take some simple mechanics and develop content as engaging and challenging as XI. Again not a copy. I never did any HNM Camping but does that mean i dont think it should be in game? short answer no. Leveling should be slower, not XI slow perhaps but not PL Fast. every other sequel on the market takes ideas from their predecessors. why is it such blasphemy for XIV to do the same? i read alot of NO XI-2! but no real arguments as to why they cant take concepts and mechanics from XI. again i will repeat myself once again NOT A COPY

[RoxyLalonde]

I think the problem is, the name of the thread differs from what you guys actually mean. Even the OP differs from what you actually mean. I will admit I have been part of the NO XI 2 RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE group... but if the idea is given a different spin then it seems to be more negotiable. I'd be more interested in how people would spin the ideas from other FF games into the FFXIV:ARR world.

[Andrien]

The title should be What XIV can take from other games to make it better.

[RoxyLalonde]

The title should be What XIV can take from other games to make it better.

What can XIV rip from the fragile souls of other games to twist and make it it's own.. seems more appropriate

[TomCarroll]

What I'd like to see is Tiered Endgame Systems.
Sky, Sea, ZNM, Magians & Abyssea NMs

These are all examples of events that took time, were generally fun, rewarding and some had cool areas connected to them.

I think if they were to bring aspects of endgame like this to 14, you'll see content trickle in a lot less frequently. The systems worked in 11, but only because 75 cap didn't move for damn year 6-7 years. Also, since ENTIRE builds were based on solely on gear, you were constantly side-grading, so most of endgame never became obsolete. FFXIV's gear system is not indicative of that. Raids will most likely be tiered, but not in the same way that you're thinking.