How pysched are you about ARR?

[DubstepNinja]

Don't like that concept? go to North Korea

OMG yes please!

Like seriously can I go?

[LlenCoram]

Well, I'd like to hear it.

What I wanted to say, in short:

I'll give in to the fact that maybe they didn't have to go the "easy" route. They could have innovated and made 2.0 something amazing right away. However, I think the key thing they wanted to do was get 2.0 out quickly. So they compromised. By making the new game be a "standard" MMO, they not only lessen their workload a bit, they also make it more inviting to people who don't play the game right now/people who complained about the unusual control scheme we have right now. So, we get a "standard MMO."

What after that? All of these arguments seem to be built on the assumption that Yoshi and Crew will continue down this path of watery content and bog standard stuff. It is, however, just an assumption. What I assume, and what makes more sense in my head, is that after establishing the "standard MMO" base of 2.0, they'll have something they can more easily build off of, giving us something very Final Fantasy-ish. Lay the groundwork first, then innovate.

Granted, I'm also making assumptions, and worst case scenario is this will be just another tour through mediocrity. Personally, I'd rather look at the bright side of things and hope for something more. It's more fun than being negative at least.

[Azurymber]

What I wanted to say, in short:

I'll give in to the fact that maybe they didn't have to go the "easy" route. They could have innovated and made 2.0 something amazing right away. However, I think the key thing they wanted to do was get 2.0 out quickly. So they compromised. By making the new game be a "standard" MMO, they not only lessen their workload a bit, they also make it more inviting to people who don't play the game right now/people who complained about the unusual control scheme we have right now. So, we get a "standard MMO."

What after that? All of these arguments seem to be built on the assumption that Yoshi and Crew will continue down this path of watery content and bog standard stuff. It is, however, just an assumption. What I assume, and what makes more sense in my head, is that after establishing the "standard MMO" base of 2.0, they'll have something they can more easily build off of, giving us something very Final Fantasy-ish. Lay the groundwork first, then innovate.

Granted, I'm also making assumptions, and worst case scenario is this will be just another tour through mediocrity. Personally, I'd rather look at the bright side of things and hope for something more. It's more fun than being negative at least.

Do you honestly think if Yoshi's team releases a flop, SE will give them more money to build expansions?
After one massive failure and millions of dollars in investments, don't you think they will cut-and-run if the game fails?

I'm pretty sure SE is publicly owned (right?) meaning that taking a risk and investing millions more into a game that flopped twice probably won't happen.

But who knows, spirits within happened .... ....... ...... dotdotdotdotdot

[Thunderz]

Excited about what?

The only thing we know that is confirmed is Jump and a new engine everything else is not confirmed at launch and we have no solid information about it

hell we don't know how they are changing gameplay (for the better) we just know its different

We have no video's of the new content
We still don't know what is the 2nd job they are suppose to be working on for 2.0 (and will probably make it on release)

I am not hyped for 2.0 I am concerned

I hope they take a year to work on this game so it actually comes out "READY"

[LlenCoram]

And back under my rock. No point responding to anything because it'll devolve into a "I'm right" "No I'm right!" argument, where both sides are basing their entire arguments off of assumptions. You lot can continue being negative and count down the days until the game fails again. Personally, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Yoshi's got a flying expansion planned for the first one, and I want some airships.

That and musketeer. You hear me SE? Let me shoot things already.

[Azurymber]

And back under my rock. No point responding to anything because it'll devolve into a "I'm right" "No I'm right!" argument, where both sides are basing their entire arguments off of assumptions. You lot can continue being negative and count down the days until the game fails again. Personally, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Yoshi's got a flying expansion planned for the first one, and I want some airships.

That and musketeer. You hear me SE? Let me shoot things already.

sorry im not tryin to say your wrong. Just trying to think realistically about it. I hope the game does well and succeeds. But i honestly just cant see them investing more if it fails. But its always good to think positively :]

Just as the owner of a company, if i was re-releasing a failed product i would tell the team "make sure its epic at the start to make up for the bad publicity"

Because if ARR comes out and get 4/10 or worse rating, no matter how perfect an expansion is, no one will care.

[LlenCoram]

sorry im not tryin to say your wrong. Just trying to think realistically about it. I hope the game does well and succeeds. But i honestly just cant see them investing more if it fails. But its always good to think positively :]

Just as the owner of a company, if i was re-releasing a failed product i would tell the team "make sure its epic at the start to make up for the bad publicity"

Because if ARR comes out and get 4/10 or worse rating, no matter how perfect an expansion is, no one will care.

I agree, I definitely hope the game is amazing enough to succeed. I'm just saying, given their time constraint, maybe they figure what they're building will be successful enough. Give them enough success to continue making the game good, only this time without the insane time crunch of having to build an entire game from scratch. If it does well enough, they can get their funding and continue.

I'll admit I've felt concerned in the past. The quality of the movement animations still bothers me, and I'm a little worried about how fishing will handle, but overall I'm incredibly excited. I also made a vow back when I bought the CE that I'd see this game through to the very end, so maybe it's in my best interest to stay positive.

Also I'm dying for Musketeer... If the game does fail again, I want to at least play that class for a bit first :P.

[Ruisu]

Ill be honest I really dont think 2.0 will survive beyond 1 year. I will give it a try but the direction Yoshi is taking the game is not something I am looking forward too. The fact is instead of going above and beyond like SE use to they are just shooting for a standard MMO and we all know there are plenty out there. Some players say this a new generation of MMO's but in fact its not about being the 2nd generation MMO its all about give it to me now, dont wanna work for anything or have competition, it comes down to players just wanting everything NOW, w/o any of the long term goals, w/o any work, these players just want everything handed to them. All in all I am not impressed with what they have done and lets not forget they could have done things much much better.

Yeah, let's not lay down a basic foundation and then work on innovation after that! That worked out nicely for FFXIV 1.0, didn't it?

From 1 to 10? 4ish. Might change during the testing.

Subtle. I chuckled.

[strallaalaa]

i'm excited about it but i'm not going in thinking it will succeed i think it will probably fail and be dead in a year. but it's still the mmo i want to play. i hate gw2 not log in for weeks now. tried all the other mmo's and not liked them. this one has at least kept me playing. they will fall flat on there faces like the rest though that keep listening to forum posters over players that leave. yeah they have smart people up in the dev teams that think they know what they are doing but there evilution of mmo's will not work. sell real mmo's and the garbage ones they make now, or fail forevers lol.

[fusional]

Hate to break this to you, but SE isn't a non-profit doing this to increase world happiness.
They are a business in it for the money.
So people completely have a right to complain about a sub-par product, and most people -have- left.

hey, yeah, true. however- hate to break this to you, but you're not just butt hurt. you're butt devastated. cry harder though. make this thread another 427 times before official release of the 2.0 client. i'm sure that will change something. crying for the sake of crying. yep, really productive. i'm sure you'll teach them some kind of lesson.

And if your idea is "well people who don't like it should leave" you will end up with no FFXIV since it will cost more to maintain the servers than the few fanboys sticking around will pay in monthly fees.

actually, they're redesigning the game *because* people who didn't like it... left. that's the best way to vote- with your dollar. all this crying by you and your ilk is just baseless, bored posturing. so they're doing things the way they're doing them to bring back those players and bring in new blood, while doing what they can to keep around the tiny few who chose to gut it out.

you overly loud crybabies repeating the same idiotic thread over and over again isn't going to destroy their sales. why do you play? why do you post? why do you pay? if you're that unhappy with everything, why are you still here? unfortunately, square is calling your bluff. of all the potential drops in the bucket- yours will be the smallest. your logic is backwards.

You can't call someone an entitled crybaby since this is a game in a CAPITALISTIC MARKET where people are ENTITLED to a product WORTH THEIR MONEY.

Don't like that concept? go to North Korea

then, once again- vote with your dollar. shut up and stop playing. in the meantime i'll feel entitled to relentlessly mock you, and since this is a capitalist market and i pay just as much as you, there's really nothing you can do about it. sorry, sugar.

don't like that concept? go make another inconsequential pathetic moaning thread about it. you will anyway.