How pysched are you about ARR?

[LlenCoram]

I had written a big post about the potential for the game to move past its "standard mmo" stage that they're bringing the game to, and the possibility that they'll use that as a starting point and make the game into a proper FF mmo, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears.

[Gramul]

I had written a big post about the potential for the game to move past its "standard mmo" stage that they're bringing the game to, and the possibility that they'll use that as a starting point and make the game into a proper FF mmo, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears.

Well, I'd like to hear it.

[LlenCoram]

Well, I'd like to hear it.

What I wanted to say, in short:

I'll give in to the fact that maybe they didn't have to go the "easy" route. They could have innovated and made 2.0 something amazing right away. However, I think the key thing they wanted to do was get 2.0 out quickly. So they compromised. By making the new game be a "standard" MMO, they not only lessen their workload a bit, they also make it more inviting to people who don't play the game right now/people who complained about the unusual control scheme we have right now. So, we get a "standard MMO."

What after that? All of these arguments seem to be built on the assumption that Yoshi and Crew will continue down this path of watery content and bog standard stuff. It is, however, just an assumption. What I assume, and what makes more sense in my head, is that after establishing the "standard MMO" base of 2.0, they'll have something they can more easily build off of, giving us something very Final Fantasy-ish. Lay the groundwork first, then innovate.

Granted, I'm also making assumptions, and worst case scenario is this will be just another tour through mediocrity. Personally, I'd rather look at the bright side of things and hope for something more. It's more fun than being negative at least.

[Azurymber]

What I wanted to say, in short:

I'll give in to the fact that maybe they didn't have to go the "easy" route. They could have innovated and made 2.0 something amazing right away. However, I think the key thing they wanted to do was get 2.0 out quickly. So they compromised. By making the new game be a "standard" MMO, they not only lessen their workload a bit, they also make it more inviting to people who don't play the game right now/people who complained about the unusual control scheme we have right now. So, we get a "standard MMO."

What after that? All of these arguments seem to be built on the assumption that Yoshi and Crew will continue down this path of watery content and bog standard stuff. It is, however, just an assumption. What I assume, and what makes more sense in my head, is that after establishing the "standard MMO" base of 2.0, they'll have something they can more easily build off of, giving us something very Final Fantasy-ish. Lay the groundwork first, then innovate.

Granted, I'm also making assumptions, and worst case scenario is this will be just another tour through mediocrity. Personally, I'd rather look at the bright side of things and hope for something more. It's more fun than being negative at least.

Do you honestly think if Yoshi's team releases a flop, SE will give them more money to build expansions?
After one massive failure and millions of dollars in investments, don't you think they will cut-and-run if the game fails?

I'm pretty sure SE is publicly owned (right?) meaning that taking a risk and investing millions more into a game that flopped twice probably won't happen.

But who knows, spirits within happened .... ....... ...... dotdotdotdotdot

[Thunderz]

Excited about what?

The only thing we know that is confirmed is Jump and a new engine everything else is not confirmed at launch and we have no solid information about it

hell we don't know how they are changing gameplay (for the better) we just know its different

We have no video's of the new content
We still don't know what is the 2nd job they are suppose to be working on for 2.0 (and will probably make it on release)

I am not hyped for 2.0 I am concerned

I hope they take a year to work on this game so it actually comes out "READY"

[Thunderz]

Excited about what?

The only thing we know that is confirmed is Jump and a new engine everything else is not confirmed at launch and we have no solid information about it

hell we don't know how they are changing gameplay (for the better) we just know its different

We have no video's of the new content
We still don't know what is the 2nd job they are suppose to be working on for 2.0 (and will probably make it on release)

I am not hyped for 2.0 I am concerned

I hope they take a year to work on this game so it actually comes out "READY"

[LlenCoram]

And back under my rock. No point responding to anything because it'll devolve into a "I'm right" "No I'm right!" argument, where both sides are basing their entire arguments off of assumptions. You lot can continue being negative and count down the days until the game fails again. Personally, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Yoshi's got a flying expansion planned for the first one, and I want some airships.

That and musketeer. You hear me SE? Let me shoot things already.

[Azurymber]

And back under my rock. No point responding to anything because it'll devolve into a "I'm right" "No I'm right!" argument, where both sides are basing their entire arguments off of assumptions. You lot can continue being negative and count down the days until the game fails again. Personally, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Yoshi's got a flying expansion planned for the first one, and I want some airships.

That and musketeer. You hear me SE? Let me shoot things already.

sorry im not tryin to say your wrong. Just trying to think realistically about it. I hope the game does well and succeeds. But i honestly just cant see them investing more if it fails. But its always good to think positively :]

Just as the owner of a company, if i was re-releasing a failed product i would tell the team "make sure its epic at the start to make up for the bad publicity"

Because if ARR comes out and get 4/10 or worse rating, no matter how perfect an expansion is, no one will care.

[LlenCoram]

sorry im not tryin to say your wrong. Just trying to think realistically about it. I hope the game does well and succeeds. But i honestly just cant see them investing more if it fails. But its always good to think positively :]

Just as the owner of a company, if i was re-releasing a failed product i would tell the team "make sure its epic at the start to make up for the bad publicity"

Because if ARR comes out and get 4/10 or worse rating, no matter how perfect an expansion is, no one will care.

I agree, I definitely hope the game is amazing enough to succeed. I'm just saying, given their time constraint, maybe they figure what they're building will be successful enough. Give them enough success to continue making the game good, only this time without the insane time crunch of having to build an entire game from scratch. If it does well enough, they can get their funding and continue.

I'll admit I've felt concerned in the past. The quality of the movement animations still bothers me, and I'm a little worried about how fishing will handle, but overall I'm incredibly excited. I also made a vow back when I bought the CE that I'd see this game through to the very end, so maybe it's in my best interest to stay positive.

Also I'm dying for Musketeer... If the game does fail again, I want to at least play that class for a bit first :P.

[strallaalaa]

i'm excited about it but i'm not going in thinking it will succeed i think it will probably fail and be dead in a year. but it's still the mmo i want to play. i hate gw2 not log in for weeks now. tried all the other mmo's and not liked them. this one has at least kept me playing. they will fall flat on there faces like the rest though that keep listening to forum posters over players that leave. yeah they have smart people up in the dev teams that think they know what they are doing but there evilution of mmo's will not work. sell real mmo's and the garbage ones they make now, or fail forevers lol.